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CB E.J. Underwood (transfer to Pikeville)

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There is a difference between straight ahead speed and breaking speed, especially when you don't know where the break is.

There is also a difference between running is shorts and running in pads, if you played football you know both of these things.

I understand responsibility, and his responsibility is to cover the reciever across from him unless we are in a zone and he passes off his man. It is when he does not cover the reciever. If our scheme is to give up everysingle 5-10 yard out, then adjustments need to be made versus some teams because good/great passing teams can march down the field this way if we will not stop it.

Milli,

I don't think we had great corners last season, and it is telling as to how good our cb's were that we had to resort to what we did, I agree, but Underwood and Youboty have more experience, have looked good covering out WR in the spring game (pretty good recievers), and will get even better when Fox get's out of the way. Ginn is a freak, that if he can understand the system, will be the lock down corner I have been hoping for Ohio State to get for about 5 years now.

I am not trying to say I am not thankful for Fox being a team player and doing what was best for the team over the last few years, but it doesn't mean that he is a good CB. We have more talented players, that should get a chance. That is what I am saying, if they blow it then we can go back to Fox, but he is still not the CB we need.
 
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If he were at the same level as Gamble, Clements, Plummer, Winfield, et al, he should still be able to make plays, the scheme notwithstanding.
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It is that type of freelancing within a scheme that gives up the big plays that you do not see very often against tOSU.

Example, DF is in Cover 3 on the strong side. The flanker directly in front of him runs a 5 yd hook....Fox sees this and can immediately jump the route to gamble on the INT you are craving. However, the TE simply ran a flag route(5-7 yds/strides then break at 45 degrees to the sideline) right over the top of our gambling CB. Now Fox is beat deep because he decided to come out of the scheme and let a man behind him in his zone.
 
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KillerNut: ...if they blow it then we can go back to Fox, but he is still not the CB we need.

Obviously the coaching staff feels otherwise. Right now, he is the best corner on the team, so why put someone who is inferior at that position? If one of the other corners prove themselves to be better, then the staff will put him in, but so far that staff hasn't because no one else is indeed better.

osugrad21: Don't confuse him with realistic, factual posts...
 
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I have no problem with Fox. He doesn't make me forget Shawn Springs, but he's made some plays in his days too. I don't recall him ever getting beat BADLY - yes, he's given up some yards and some scores, I'm talking about just plain juked out of his shorts. Fox plays within the system and has, in my view, been a resource for our D over the years and not a liability. Maybe he looks relatively bad because no one has ever tested the CB on the other side. To illustrate, no one was ever saying Ty Howard was lights out. Nor could they, because if a team threw on OSU their option was Howard or Springs. They chose Howard. (as a rule) And so Springs, almost on rep alone, was the better CB. I think Spring actually was the better CB, but Howard was pretty damn good too, is all I'm getting at.

Now, on my PS2, Fox cant cover a friggin turtle and Underwood breaks up everything.
 
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Say what ?

It is that type of freelancing within a scheme that gives up the big plays that you do not see very often against tOSU

Fox hasn't given up many Tds because he commits more PIs than any of those guys ever did. He should be thankful that the rest of the defense has been so great the last 2 years, or this'd be more glaring, more talked about it, and his play more criticized than it already is. This year, he will be facing the #1s and not having quite as good of a supporting cast imo, and it will show.
 
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Louis the PI's come when he is aggressive like you want him to be or when he does get beat deep in which case he gives up the 15 instead of 7 pts. The latter is smart football and the product of good coaching.Prediction: 1st Team Big Ten
 
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$100 on the virtual book is sufficient.

High school coaches aren't made of money Louis so I will decline your real cash bet unless you would like to lower the wage. I'll bet virtual book, sig lines, or if you have a better idea, I'm all open.

My PM's are open
 
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Grad, maybe you'll back me up on this comment - a lot of great DB's get away with PI on rep and rep alone. (Much like how Jordan very rarely fouled out) Everson Walls, one of the greatest of all time, perfected the art of the midrift shirt grab. Gamble, for as many great plays as he made, got away with a PI here and there. Some of the calls on Fox have been legit, but some of them have been questionable.
 
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Absolutely true BkB.

Fox is an aggressive CB when the coverage permits...Playing the short side has lead to the impression that he is being picked on, but common sense tells you that short routes like quick outs are less of a risk with the shorter throw.
 
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