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This sounds like a win win. Devon gets some cash, the Astros get him for the summer to scout and see if he can play, and the Bucks get him in early August. The key will be next summer. Long term he will need to commit to one sport.

Does anyone know the money he signed for? He is talking about buying an Escalade
 
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Buckrock;867501; said:
This sounds like a win win. Devon gets some cash, the Astros get him for the summer to scout and see if he can play, and the Bucks get him in early August. The key will be next summer. Long term he will need to commit to one sport.

Does anyone know the money he signed for? He is talking about buying an Escalade
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I can't imagine a 16th round draft pick making a whole lot of money with his initial contract. Most players never make it to triple A, let alone the bigs. So many minor league teams out there its so easy to get lost in the shuffle and forgotten about. Most minor league players(that aren't for sure pro prospects) struggle to make a living and some even have side jobs in the off season.
 
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TheStoicPaisano;867448; said:
This doesn't make sense to me. What is the difference between the Astros cutting a check and Mrs. Torrence cutting a check? It's not the athletic department or one of its sponsors, so there'd be no financial aid from the school. So I'll ask again, if Torrence receives no aid from the athletic department, how does he count against the scholarship limit?
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Again, it makes no difference who pays the bill, it has to do with his status as a "recruit." Take another player from this class, say "Boom" Herron and say that his parents are loaded and state they will take care of his schooling. He still counts in the 85 because he was recruited. Or say Ironhead's kid is pretty smart and gets a full academic scholarship, he still counts against the limit. It is to prevent teams from loading up on big time talent. For example, let's say that McGuffie, Pead, Adams, Gardiner, Goebel, Hale, and Pryor all commit tomorrow filling all the slots for next year. Someone else like Zerbie really wants to come, but there is not spot. Because he has been a "recruit," he cannot become a "walk-on" even if he pays his own way. Once a guy is registered to the NCAA as a "recruit" they will become a "scholarship" player once the set foot on the field during a game, no matter who pays the bill.

Also, Antonio Smith was on academic scholarship from the day he stepped on campus and had two letters under his belt before being converted to athletic scholarship after the 2005 season. It was only then that he counted towards the 85-man limit.
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Antonio was not an official "recruit" of tOSU. The athletic department was never obligated to convert his scholarship, but with the large number of departures from the '03/04 classes, they had the extra scholarship to give. I'm not sure of all the intricacies of how one becomes an classified a "recruit" but once they do they will always count againt the 85 if they play. A true "walk-on" can even play in games without counting and the giving of a scholarship is soley at the discretion of the athletic department (usually Senior walk-ons get the scholarships of players who leave late in the summer or for spots that are being held for the next recruiting class).
 
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I can't remember where I read it, but I read somewhere that he was asking for 6th (i think ) round money. Last years average signing bonus for 6th round high schoolers worked out to be $500,000.

I wish I could remember where I read that. Anybody?
 
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MuckFich06;867839; said:
Again, it makes no difference who pays the bill, it has to do with his status as a "recruit." Take another player from this class, say "Boom" Herron and say that his parents are loaded and state they will take care of his schooling. He still counts in the 85 because he was recruited. Or say Ironhead's kid is pretty smart and gets a full academic scholarship, he still counts against the limit. It is to prevent teams from loading up on big time talent. For example, let's say that McGuffie, Pead, Adams, Gardiner, Goebel, Hale, and Pryor all commit tomorrow filling all the slots for next year. Someone else like Zerbie really wants to come, but there is not spot. Because he has been a "recruit," he cannot become a "walk-on" even if he pays his own way. Once a guy is registered to the NCAA as a "recruit" they will become a "scholarship" player once the set foot on the field during a game, no matter who pays the bill.

Antonio was not an official "recruit" of tOSU. The athletic department was never obligated to convert his scholarship, but with the large number of departures from the '03/04 classes, they had the extra scholarship to give. I'm not sure of all the intricacies of how one becomes an classified a "recruit" but once they do they will always count againt the 85 if they play. A true "walk-on" can even play in games without counting and the giving of a scholarship is soley at the discretion of the athletic department (usually Senior walk-ons get the scholarships of players who leave late in the summer or for spots that are being held for the next recruiting class).
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MuchFich, thanks for the clarification, but I still don't understand several things. How does someone get "registered" as a "recruit" under NCAA? What does being a "true walk-on" mean?

If a kid is clamoring for an offer from OSU, but has other offers, doesn't get an OSU offer, and decides to try out as a walk on, gets in, and starts getting playing time, what happens then? Even when he's paying for his tuition and expenses, does he still count towards the limit?

On a side note, wasn't Terry Glenn supposed to be a walk on? He played in plenty of games. Did he count towards the scholarship limit?
 
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ant80;867879; said:
MuchFich, thanks for the clarification, but I still don't understand several things. How does someone get "registered" as a "recruit" under NCAA? What does being a "true walk-on" mean?

If a kid is clamoring for an offer from OSU, but has other offers, doesn't get an OSU offer, and decides to try out as a walk on, gets in, and starts getting playing time, what happens then? Even when he's paying for his tuition and expenses, does he still count towards the limit?

On a side note, wasn't Terry Glenn supposed to be a walk on? He played in plenty of games. Did he count towards the scholarship limit?
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If memory serves me correctly, Glenn walked on because of his grades. He then received a scholarship during his Freshman year.
 
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ant80;867879; said:
MuchFich, thanks for the clarification, but I still don't understand several things. How does someone get "registered" as a "recruit" under NCAA? What does being a "true walk-on" mean?

If a kid is clamoring for an offer from OSU, but has other offers, doesn't get an OSU offer, and decides to try out as a walk on, gets in, and starts getting playing time, what happens then? Even when he's paying for his tuition and expenses, does he still count towards the limit?

On a side note, wasn't Terry Glenn supposed to be a walk on? He played in plenty of games. Did he count towards the scholarship limit?
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Like I said, I don't know all the details of how it works, but the NCAA keeps track of recruiting visits and oversees the whole process. Perhaps someone with more insight can enlighten this.

Here is the quote from the NCAA page on what causes one to become a "recruit":

NCAA
13.02.12.1 Recruited Prospective Student-Athlete.
Actions by staff members or athletics representatives that cause a prospective student-athlete to become a recruited prospective student-athlete at that institution are: (Revised: 1/10/90, 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94 for those students entering a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/94, 1/10/05 effective 8/01/05)

(a) Providing the prospective student-athlete with an official visit; (Adopted: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94 for those students entering a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/94)

(b) Having an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete's parent(s), relatives or legal guardian(s); or (Adopted:1/11/94 effective 8/1/94 for those students entering a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/94)

(c) Initiating or arranging a telephone contact with the prospective student-athlete, the prospective student-athlete's relatives or legal guardian(s) on more than one occasion for the purpose of recruitment. (Revised: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94 for those students entering a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/94)

(d) Issuing a National Letter of Intent or the institution's written offer of athletically related financial aid to the prospective student-athlete. Issuing a written offer of athletically related financial aid to a prospective student-athlete to attend a summer session prior to full-time enrollment does not cause the prospective student-athlete to become recruited. (Adopted: 1/10/05 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/13/05
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As for Glenn, a walk-on who demonstrates that level of talent early in their time with the team will be offered a scholarship as soon is one is available for fear of losing him to another team. I believe that walk-ons can transfer without sitting out.
 
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Torrence set to begin his 2-sport stint
document.title = "Torrence set to begin his 2-sport stint";Thursday, June 21, 2007
By JOSH WEIR
repository sports writer

Devon Torrence is embarking on the road less traveled.

While two-sport athletes aren't that uncommon - Deion Sanders participated in three sports at Florida State and later played in a pro football and baseball game in the same day - what Torrence is doing is rare.

Cont...
 
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Posted on Fri, Jun. 22, 2007
Two-sport star has time to pick
OSU's Devon Torrence plays baseball, football
By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sportswriter

``The chance to play with his brother at Ohio State was very exciting for Devon,'' Speed said. ``Most people would tell you as a professional his future is more likely in baseball. He feels very blessed this worked out the way it did.''

Ricciarini wouldn't put a time frame on when he would like Torrence to decide which he'll pursue.

``At some point, whether it be a year or two years, we hope he'll make a commitment one way or the other,'' Ricciarini said. ``If he makes a football commitment, I'll be rooting for him to play in the NFL and be a star.
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Beacon Journal | 06/22/2007 | Two-sport star has time to pick
 
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Torrence makes debut in loss
Saturday, June 23, 2007

BURLINGTON, N.C. Canton South High School graduate Devon Torrence made his professional baseball debut Friday night for the rookie-level Greeneville (Tenn.) Astros in a 3-0 loss to the Burlington Royals.

Torrence, who signed Monday, appeared as a pinch hitter in the top of the eighth and struck out looking in his only at-bat. He stayed in the game and played left field. Torrence was the Houston Astros' 16th-round draft choice.
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