Cavs offseason moves

[aurorabuckeye13]

Milwaukee's wins last 5 years 30,41,42,41,52.

I see a pattern in that... Oh that's right you only improved one year, and that was only by 1 win.

Downside for Cleveland - One LeBron injury from disaster.

Maybe with our old team, but that would be the reason we are going to get a scorer in FA. And mark this down right now... Luke Jackson and Sasha Pavlovich will be contributors and scorers on this team next year. Luke is kind of like your main man Ford. He's our outside threat who was hurt all year and that fag Silas didn't play him cause he was young.

Btw - isn't Lebron young and inexperienced? I don't think 2 years makes for a grizzled vet.

LeBron is one of the most poised and composed athletes I have seen under pressure. His maturity is way beyond his age and he is a great young leader on the team.

Anyway, point is ... we will contend for the playoffs this year with the new additions and the return of our PG. And second, he'll be fed plenty with the BIG MAN in the middle with great passing skills and a PG that most people can't run with.

You make Ford sound like he is the next coming of Magic Johnson. The dude has had a whole year off from basketball because he was injured. He won't just come back and be a great player even though he probably will be in the future.

 

[Brutus1]

Milwaukee's wins last 5 years 30,41,42,41,52.

Clevelands' wins last 5 years 42,35,17(wtf?),29,30

The only thing you need to look at is the last 2 years, since LBJ has arrived. 77 wins compared to Milwaukee's 71. At this point, that's really all that matters.


Btw - isn't Lebron young and inexperienced? I don't think 2 years makes for a grizzled vet.

If you have not had the chance to watch him night in and night out, you would say that, but the improvement he made from season 1 to season 2 was just unbelieveable. So, while he may be young, he's far from experienced.

Anyway, point is ... we will contend for the playoffs this year with the new additions and the return of our PG. And second, he'll be fed plenty with the BIG MAN in the middle with great passing skills and a PG that most people can't run with.

Yea, he'll be fed by Bo-gut similar to the way LBJ would feed him. AB may be a good passer in college, but , he's not going to be doubled in the pro's. They'll put a big body on him and that will be enough, just like Kentucky put 2 big stiffs on him in the tournament and he had his worst game of the season. Plus, he'll need to play defense in the pros.


Anything can happen this year..or any year.... just like you thought the CAVS were a lock for the playoffs last year right? There was even talk of hosting a first rounder last year...lol.

We should have made the playoffs last year, but unfortunately, we had the worst guards in the history of the NBA. McGinnis could score occasionally, but played ZERO defense. Eric Snow played some D, but could not hit a shot to save his life. He may have broken the NBA record for most airballs in a season. Harris just stunk all around, all season. Dajuan Wagner is/was nothing. With all those turds gone (except Snow who will go back to the bench where he belongs), and being replaced by a good sg and a good pg, along with Luke Jackson and Pavlovic, the Cavs should be a much improved team.


I'd almost,,,almost but not really take Allen for way less money and less years.... but he is going to get bank as well. + he is much older

All things being equal, I'd take Allen. He's just what the ultimate sg should look like. You (or anyone else) would never sniff Allen for way less money or years. He'll want close to max money with at least 5 years. I think the better long term pick would be Redd because of the 5 year age difference.

 

[Piney]

All things being equal, I'd take Allen. He's just what the ultimate sg should look like. You (or anyone else) would never sniff Allen for way less money or years. He'll want close to max money with at least 5 years. I think the better long term pick would be Redd because of the 5 year age difference.

Too bad the news out of Seattle is that Ray Allen has agreed to a deal with Seattle. So cross off a name on the Cavaliers SG wishlist. :(

While I would love Redd he is not worth the max deal that Milwaukee has to pay him. I mean who would want to actually play in Milwaukee??? Now Redd's question is do I want to make a ton of money and be on a losing team on an annual basis or go to Cleveland and make a good amount of money and be sidekick to someone who will arguable become the best player ever in the NBA. Not an easy choice... money vs rings.

I still think there is a better option out there and his name is Cuttino Mobley. He is a better shooter than Redd, a better defender than Redd and will come at half the price of Redd.

 

[DCBuckFan]

Mobley better than Redd? Not so sure of that one, though he could be a good choice if/when the others sign elsewhere

 

[Piney]

Mobley better than Redd? Not so sure of that one, though he could be a good choice if/when the others sign elsewhere

I think in certain aspects Mobley is better. Would I rather have Redd? Yes, but not at the max. For about $8-$10 million yes, but if we have to go max dollars I would rather have more than just a shooter.

It is more of a question of getting the most out of your money.

 

[WestEnd]

Now that Allen is out of the picture, I'd think that Larry Hughes becomes one of the prime contingency plans if Redd decides to stay with the bucks. If you want to talk about bringing in a player that has a more rounded game, hughes is the man. The guy's NBA first-team for defense, and does well enough when he gets the open look. Pair him with that Sarunas Jasikevicius guy (PG/SG who was an awesome shooter for lithuania in the olympics, and supposedly a great player over in Europe/Tel Aviv for a while) who is supposedly drawing interest from the cavs, and you've got a solid backcourt to complement lebron and Z.

While I'd like to see Redd sign with the cavs, if he can't pass up on the extra $20 mill or so, I wouldn't mind Hughes.

 

[Brutus1]

While I like Hughes' defense, his career shooting numbers are 29% on 3's and 41% from the field. The Cavs need a shooter that can hit a 3 and shoot pretty decent, i'm not sure Larry is the answer to that problem.

At this point, Redd would be crazy to pass up the extra 20mil. Maybe Mobley is a cheap alternative and , I believe, he's still pretty young.

 

[BuckStocksHere]

I see a pattern in that... Oh that's right you only improved one year, and that was only by 1 win.

What you didn't see was a team that is consistently good as opposed to a team that was consistently bad.

Maybe with our old team, but that would be the reason we are going to get a scorer in FA. And mark this down right now... Luke Jackson and Sasha Pavlovich will be contributors and scorers on this team next year. Luke is kind of like your main man Ford. He's our outside threat who was hurt all year and that fag Silas didn't play him cause he was young.

don't know enough about either of them to pass judgment...I'll wait to see how they play....

LeBron is one of the most poised and composed athletes I have seen under pressure. His maturity is way beyond his age and he is a great young leader on the team.

Maybe true, but the point you made was "young" and "inexperienced" which he IS. Nobody will, well no sane person, would say he isn't good.


You make Ford sound like he is the next coming of Magic Johnson. The dude has had a whole year off from basketball because he was injured. He won't just come back and be a great player even though he probably will be in the future.

Nah. NOBODY is Magic! Ford was the sparkplug that ran the team. He can push the ball up like nobody's biz. He has a BIG question mark on his outside shot, but he is what he is - a point guard. He is not a #2. His job is to dish and make plays, push the action.

NFM.

The only thing you need to look at is the last 2 years, since LBJ has arrived. 77 wins compared to Milwaukee's 71. At this point, that's really all that matters.

The point was made about contending ....Clearly over the last 5 years...the Bucks have contended far better than the Cavs.

Yea, he'll be fed by Bo-gut similar to the way LBJ would feed him. AB may be a good passer in college, but , he's not going to be doubled in the pro's. They'll put a big body on him and that will be enough, just like Kentucky put 2 big stiffs on him in the tournament and he had his worst game of the season. Plus, he'll need to play defense in the pros..

The logic here is stunning. I am reading correctly that you believe he will be a big white stiff because of ONE game in college? lol. How about you look at ALL of his games and his #'s... that would be more sane. Good thing they don't award college player of the year based on one game. I guess you have never watched him play defense eh? You think he can't guard the majority of centers out there in the East?

While I would love Redd he is not worth the max deal that Milwaukee has to pay him. I mean who would want to actually play in Milwaukee???

I already said Redd is not worth a MAX deal. He just isn't a "superstar". The problem is this is what it would take to keep the home state kid from returning there. All things being equal - I would rather play at home (probably) than somewhere else. My question to answer your other part, would be, who would want to play in Cleveland?

Now Redd's question is do I want to make a ton of money and be on a losing team on an annual basis or go to Cleveland and make a good amount of money and be sidekick to someone who will arguable become the best player ever in the NBA. Not an easy choice... money vs rings.

Already proved this one wrong a zillion times. The annual losing team would be Cleveland, but I understand the "homerism". 4 losing years in 5 for cleveland does not constitute an annual basis of winning.
Saying LeBron will arguably be the best player ever in the NBA is a big stretch at this point. Two years... you are going to base that on TWO years? Yeah, I'll take Mike.

I still think there is a better option out there and his name is Cuttino Mobley. He is a better shooter than Redd, a better defender than Redd and will come at half the price of Redd.

Better price - of course. Better shooter - no.

NFM..

The thing about this whole Redd situation is it is actually a better deal for Cleveland than Milwaukee. Why?

1. Cleveland would get him at a lower price and less years.
2. They already have a superstar on their team. Redd is NOT a superstar.
3. Milwaukee has to overpay to keep him. Never a good thing.

If I'm Cleveland - I'm happy if he signs for the reported 70mil or so. If I'm Milwaukee I'm happy he signs too but they have to realize they really overpaid to keep him. Maybe splitting that money up is the better option at this point with the TJ Ford uncertainty.

I've read a lot of fans don't want Milwaukee to sign him. They love the guy but most know he just isn't worth the $$$ the Bucks offered him (supposedly). Last I heard it was 94 million?!?! yikes. too much.

BTW - for what Allen received 80 mil 5 years + 5 mil bonus... I'd rather have Redd at 94 & 6.

Ray is probably the best shooter in the league...but not worth 80 mil either.

That just shows the price of KEEPING your talent...

 

[Brutus1]

1. The last 5 years don't matter to their future. All that matters is LeBron is here and makes the Cavs a much better contender than the Bucks.

2. Big white stiff? That may be a tad too harsh, but when all the scouts are comparing you to Divac and Brad Miller, then perhaps you're not the savior that Buckstocks thinks you are. This is the NBA, not the Mountain West Conference. He'll be facing big bodies EVERY night, not once a month. There is only one starting center in the East that weighs less than Bo-gut. They're gonna beat him up and play the physical game with him. If he can't handle 2 big stiffs from Kentucky (they rarely played at the end of the season), how will he do against the boys in the middle in the NBA ?

His last 2 games of the tourney: 12-26 fg 6-14 ft. Not world beater by any stretch.

 

[Piney]

Already proved this one wrong a zillion times. The annual losing team would be Cleveland, but I understand the "homerism". 4 losing years in 5 for cleveland does not constitute an annual basis of winning.
Saying LeBron will arguably be the best player ever in the NBA is a big stretch at this point. Two years... you are going to base that on TWO years? Yeah, I'll take Mike.

Just a note, I said he would ARGUABLY BECOME the best player in NBA history. Not that he is there yet. And yes I am basing it on his first 2 years. 25-7-7! AND HE WAS 19 YEARS OLD! It took Mike 5 years to do that and he only did it once. The potential is just amazing and LeBron had crap surrounding him. The only player was Z and imagine what LeBron would do if he actually had someone who can hit an open jump shot.

An annual losing team? Ok, you can believe that matters all you want. But the question is who has the best potential to win it all? If Cleveland didn't have LeBron, sure I would buy your argument. And I know you will counter with "LeBron is leaving in 3 years". But if Cleveland makes the playoffs over the next 3 years and itching closer and closer to the finals and/or makes the finals there is no way LeBron leaves because he would be leaving a championship calibur team and the fan backlash will be there and he would take a PR hit and be considered the next Kobe. The only way LeBron leaves is if Cleveland is losing. That way the fans would be sympathetic with him moving on.

 

[bucknut11]

Heard on the radio that Michael Redd was in town today. Hoping to hear good news soon...

 

[Brutus1]

He was in town getting wined and dined by mgmt and Mr. James. I don't think they can wine and dine enough to make him pass up 20 mil. Too bad.
:osu:

 

[aurorabuckeye13]

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For people who want to see Michael Redd in Wine and Gold next year and don't want to get their hopes up to high...​

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Word is that Redd had a good day at the Gund today. This is a quote from the Cavs board... take it for what its worth.​

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<TABLE class=ev_msg_rowcolor2 style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=0 align=center><TBODY><TR><TD class=ev_msg_userinfo>bigdogg1811
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</TD><TD><TABLE class=ev_msg_table cellSpacing=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=ev_msg_posticon></TD><TD class=ev_msg_timestamp>Posted<SCRIPT>document.write('<nobr>'+ myTimeZone('Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:03:04 GMT-0700', 'July 06, 2005 07:03 PM')+'</nobr>');</SCRIPT> <NOBR>July 06, 2005 07:03 PM</NOBR> <NOSCRIPT>July 06, 2005 07:03 PM</NOSCRIPT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>One of my friends who works at Gund Arena and gives me the inside scoop on rumors, told me that while Michael Redd was being given his tour of Gund Arena today...he was saying many positive things. My friend heard him say, "I'm gonna have to bring my family to all the games with those suites." He seemed to really enjoy the arena.

He was walking with LeBron and Danny Ferry throughout the entire tour.

According to my friend, it sounds like Redd will be coming to Cleveland.

What do you guys think about that?
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Here's my thinking... if Redd just wanted money, whcih is all the bucks can offer, he would've just accepted the max deal when it was offered. I don't know what to think though. I say its 50/50 with him and although i'd realy like him, I could settle for hughes.​

 

[Smooth Olaf]

Unless your friend has 20 mil he doesn't really need, I'll take his post with a grain of salt.

 

[tsteele316]

the entire $20 figure isnt entirely accurate. if cleveland is offering 5 years at $72 mil and the bucks are offering 6 years at $92, that is in actuality a difference of about $5 million and one year. assuming he makes the same in that 6th year that he would under the cavs offer, he would only be giving up around 5-6 mil. quite a different picture.

it was also reported that nike execs were at the meeting with redd and the cavs as well. perhaps they are working out an endoresement deal that will offset any cash the bucks are offering.