Cavs offseason moves

[aurorabuckeye13]

1. Resign Z
They definately need to try to make this happen. Last season, down the stretch when Z was out with that broken finger or whatever, the cavs looked disgusting. Lebron was trying to do it all himself and the defenses were totally collapsing on him any time he got within 10ft of the basket. With Z and LeBron the cavs can spread the floor, and other guys can get open looks when the double teams go to Z in the post. This is where a great shooter like Redd would be great to have. BUT, if the cavs can't re-sign Z, look for Redd to have hands in his face everytime he chucks it.
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I don't think that would be as much of a problem as some might think. Guys who can penetrate a defense act almost the same as a dominant center. You can either help out and maybe stop them from scoring, or you can let them go and they will rip you up all night. We all know LeBron can get to the basket, but we also need to sign a PG who can penetrate off the dribble. If we get someone like that, him and LeBron can get inside enough so the defense will have to collapse giving ALOT of open shots to our new SG (Redd, Hughes).

 

[WestEnd]

aurora,
I agree with you, but when I think about the "look" of the cavs offense minus Z, plus Redd and Hughes, I see a totally different team. In my mind if you take Redd, and add him to the starters of from last year of LeBron, Z, Gooden, you've got a good fit to run a multi-dimensional offense ... post game, penetration, shooter. Without the post presence the team loses a dimension and becomes easier to defend. So even though, a FA SG would get good looks from penetration by lebron/pg, he wouldn't neccessarily get them as regularly as he would with Z if a team matched up well.

Buckstops,
Is it my hit yet? (cough cough cough) ... ok
here's what I was trying to get across to you. The perfect ESPN theory of LeBron going to some bigger market is just as half-baked as I am right now. It doesn't take into account any facet of reality regarding the current situation of the NBA. All it takes into account is this notion that LeBron would be more "marketable" and get more "exposure" which nike would lead nike to pay him more because of some (unconfirmed) "contract incentive". I'll leave it to others to argue the ridiculousness of that line of rationale, but just for the sake of argument, I'll totally agree with you (or ESPN, whichever) in that regard ... even though it's stupid.

Even given all that, the bottom line is that if lebron left cleveland it would be because they weren't on the verge of making the finals, and some major market team was on the verge, AND needed a lebron type player.

MAJOR MEDIA MARKET TEAMS:
Knicks: Not even close to a contender. Isiah is running things into the ground, they're gonna need a number of young kids and draftees (from a weak draft) to pan out bigtime for them to be closer than the cavs.

Nets: Could possibly be a consideration if the wheels get turning on the brooklyn arena alot faster ... BUT they'd have to move vince carter (no way they could coexist) and even then Richard Jefferson and Kidd aren't getting any younger. I doubt they'd be considered a more likely contender than cleveland in 3 yrs unless they blow the whole thing up and get some different guys in there.

Lakers: Lebron and Kobe? nehgonnahappen.

Clippers: (puff puff) HAHAHAHAH(cough cough)HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! (puff puff)

Right. So tell me. Which "Major Media market" is LeBron going to where he'll have a better chance of winning than a team that has been built AROUND HIM WITH HIS PLAYING ABILITIES AND PREFERENCES IN MIND?!?!?!?! What other "major markets" could he play in? Philly? Boston? Chicago? All those teams would have to shake up a core set of players to get lebron and lose some appeal, as potential championship clubs in the process.

You hear shit on ESPN, and you buy that shit without thinking it through for even a second. Use your noodle. Don't believe the hype.

 

[BuckStocksHere]

JUST ENJOY THE 8PTS 6 BOARDS YOU'LL BE GETTING FROM BO-GUT.

Now that is laughable. What, do you expect him to play 14 minutes per game? lol. I EASILY see 15 pts - 10 boards. Easily. You forget the kind of team this guy is coming too.... I will say this however - if Redd does not resign AND TJ Ford is not back healthy.... they can just cancel the season and pick up their next lottery pick next year. TJ was such a big part of pushing the ball up, he completely changed the way the game was played. He is one of the fastest dudes on the court.

I personally am not sure Redd is worth the MAX, but he is going to get it. I don't think a lot of players are worth to be honest. But if you want to sign him or steal him, you have to pony up...

 

[Brutus1]

I'm not so sure Redd is worth the max, either. I do agree that they are a much better team with Ford in there.

The question I have with Bo-gut is that his own coach (freshman year), Majerus, said he would not take him number one. That's pretty telling.

 

[BuckStocksHere]

Even given all that, the bottom line is that if lebron left cleveland it would be because they weren't on the verge of making the finals, and some major market team was on the verge, AND needed a lebron type player.

Philly? Boston? Chicago? All those teams would have to shake up a core set of players to get lebron and lose some appeal, as potential championship clubs in the process.

You hear shit on ESPN, and you buy that shit without thinking it through for even a second. Use your noodle. Don't believe the hype.

WestendBlunt,

Here is the problem with your "predictions" of teams - you can't predict what ANY team will look like two years from now. That is THREE free agency periods if you include the one right now. Hell I don't think Kobe will even be playing in about 3-4 years..I think he retires. I think he has already played 10 years in this league... (checked - going INTO his 10th year. I think he will find something off the court he likes and retire...dude is actually pretty smart when not boinking other chicks)

Anything can happen between now and then...ANYTHING... teams can tank - injuries -

Let's look at YOUR Cavaliers for a prime example... two years ago.. 17 -65... ick. This year 42- 40. eh. Not great.. but one hell of an improvement from 17 wins. And if not for their collapse, and/or implosion, down the homestretch, they would have been in the playoffs. ANYTHING can happen in two years - anything.

So while you WISH that he won't go anywhere be stating the case NOW, it doesn't prove anything two years from now. Nobody can predict the NBA landscape that far in advance.

Shit, nobody can predict this year, just like nobody could predict last.

BTW - I don't listen to Rome so whoever said that... smoke another. And I don't think I have ever heard anyone on ESPN say anything about LeBron leaving.

Now for you Danny Ferry fans - check this tidbit out ...


Tuesday's predraft trade of Jiri Welsch to Milwaukee for a 2006 second-round pick, in which sources say Cleveland agreed to pay Welsch's $2.1 million salary next season, sets Ferry up to have $27-30 million in spending money ... provided the official cap number announced by the league July 22 reaches the $48-50 million projected.

Of course, all of that assumes that the Cavs can get Redd away from the Bucks and their bucks. Which isn't especially likely.

SIMPLY WOW! Thank you Danny for loaning us a player free of charge.

 

[Brutus1]

Don't thank him until you see Welsch play. He is a turd, but in your case it costs nothing, so, you'll just have to see. Good luck with that. He'll fit in good with Dwayne Sczint...uh.... Chris Mihm...uh.... Bo-gut.

 

[Piney]

Now for you Danny Ferry fans - check this tidbit out ...


Tuesday's predraft trade of Jiri Welsch to Milwaukee for a 2006 second-round pick, in which sources say Cleveland agreed to pay Welsch's $2.1 million salary next season, sets Ferry up to have $27-30 million in spending money ... provided the official cap number announced by the league July 22 reaches the $48-50 million projected.

Of course, all of that assumes that the Cavs can get Redd away from the Bucks and their bucks. Which isn't especially likely.

SIMPLY WOW! Thank you Danny for loaning us a player free of charge.

Ummm actually we paid Milwaukee $2.1 million to give us $2.1 million more in cap room to sign away Michael Redd. So think of the money as a thank you present for giving us Redd

 

[BuckStocksHere]

Don't thank him until you see Welsch play. He is a turd, but in your case it costs nothing, so, you'll just have to see. Good luck with that. He'll fit in good with Dwayne Sczint...uh.... Chris Mihm...uh.... Bo-gut.

Jealous of the big man are ya?

Ummm actually we paid Milwaukee $2.1 million to give us $2.1 million more in cap room to sign away Michael Redd. So think of the money as a thank you present for giving us Redd

Unless you can come up with about 15-20 million more ...good luck.

I'd almost, almost rather them sign Ray Ray back to Milwaukee. Which sounds like a possibility of Redd leaves. Ray is a near GOD in Milwaukee. either one doesn't matter... although if we can keep Redd away from ya....I'll take that. ;-)

btw - why the hell are we talking NBA when everytime I look there is another football or basketball commit? we're nuts..

 

[Brutus1]

Uh, yea, jealous.

I wouldn't gett too excited until he actually does something in the NBA. This is the same guy that got shut down against Kentucky by 2 guys that rarely played. That's pretty reassuring, huh ? Maybe you guys can sign Todd McCullough too and have one heck of a tandem.

btw - why the hell are we talking NBA when everytime I look there is another football or basketball commit? we're nuts..

Good question.

 

[Savante]

With the new CBA, the money involved isn't the same in Cleveland vs. LA. Cleveland gets to offer him an extra year and more than 20 mill to stay. If the Cavs are a pretty damn good team by then like I expect them to be, he would likely stay. Lebron and Kobe would be terrible, the Knicks will still be over the cap, and the Nets are the only team I'd really be worried about (because he's close to Jay-Z), except I expect Jefferson, Kidd and Carter to still be there and I don't see anywhere to play Lebron (or even pay him). If the Cavs suck, I expect him to leave, but assuming they're good, he'll likely stay.

He has two more years guaranteed in Cleveland, and if he won't resign a big deal after those two years, the Cavs simply sign him to a qualifying offer for one more year and trade him and get at least decent value back.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

ok I will chime in.

Lebron is not going anywhere. Layoff the crack pipe which is Espin.

For the offseason, I would love to see the cavs go hard after Redd. If they don't get him they need to go hard after Joe Johnson. I know the suns really want to resign him, but I think if given the right amount he might leave.

I really wish they would of ponied up something to get nate robinson from the suns. He would of been a perfect fit at pg for the cavs. They need someone who can push it and get up and down the court.

I just hope they don't spend money on wasteless talent, like they did with jiri.

 

[aurorabuckeye13]

One guy who I would love to see in a Cavs uniform next year who isn't getting talked about as much is Larry Hughes. He's tough, he can rebound and pass and he can score and shoot consistently. Those are all important but he is a great defender (member of All-Defensive Team this year), and he can play SG or PG which are positions of need for us. He's also pretty young. I think this guy would be a great pickup if we don't get Redd.

 

[Brutus1]

Well' ith Cleveland and Milwaukee both offering Redd the max, he's most likely going to take the extra 20mil to stay there. I was hoping the firing ofPorter would lean him away from the Bucks
, but with Ford coming back, and getting Bo-gut, they should have a pretty good nucleus.

If they don't get Redd or Allen(unlikely, not sure he can play second fiddle to LBJ), I just don't want to see them waste the money on someone , just to spend it. I may be in the minority, but I still think Luke Jackson will end up being a great sg in the NBA.

Did anyone hear the rumor about bringing Boozer back to town ?


I like Daniels as a pg, too. I love a pg that rarely turns the ball over. I'm not so sure about his defense. Of course, after Jeff Mac, amyone's defense would be an upgrade !!!

 

[CleveBucks]

If I was Redd, I would think long and hard before taking MIL's offer. One, they don't currently have a coach. Two, Bogut and Ford are both young and inexperienced. Do you really want to spend a couple years waiting for them to mature to the point where you can contend? Or would you rather have Lebron drawing double teams and feeding you three-balls all night long?

 

[BuckStocksHere]

If I was Redd, I would think long and hard before taking MIL's offer. One, they don't currently have a coach. Two, Bogut and Ford are both young and inexperienced. Do you really want to spend a couple years waiting for them to mature to the point where you can contend? Or would you rather have Lebron drawing double teams and feeding you three-balls all night long?

I'm not sure your idea of contending? Would it be your 42 wins last year? hmm ok we'll go with that.

Milwaukee's wins last 5 years 30,41,42,41,52.

Clevelands' wins last 5 years 42,35,17(wtf?),29,30

So in the 2000's Milwaukee has averaged 41.2 wins. Cleveland has averaged 30.6. We have AVERAGED nearly your highest win total in that span. I'd say the Bucks "contend" just fine.

The downside of that - if Redd leaves and Ford gets hurt again...forget it. No 40 wins this year. The upside - last year we didn't have Ford or Bogut.

Downside for Cleveland - One LeBron injury from disaster. The negative of having a one superstar team. Upside - could sign Redd or ______ and help him. Mucho cap room. Must resign Z.

Btw - isn't Lebron young and inexperienced? I don't think 2 years makes for a grizzled vet.

Now if you mean contend as in contend for a title - well there aren't that many teams that realistically have a shot at that... It's baby steps anyway...first playoffs...then deep in them.....etc etc..

Anyway, point is ... we will contend for the playoffs this year with the new additions and the return of our PG. And second, he'll be fed plenty with the BIG MAN in the middle with great passing skills and a PG that most people can't run with.

Anything can happen this year..or any year.... just like you thought the CAVS were a lock for the playoffs last year right? There was even talk of hosting a first rounder last year...lol.

BTW - Redd isn't worth 90 mil or whatever he was offered in his MAX deal. But when a team can't afford to lose you....you get PAID!

I'd almost,,,almost but not really take Allen for way less money and less years.... but he is going to get bank as well. + he is much older