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Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

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exhawg;1711769; said:
If Ferry made a mistake it was being too loyal to Mike Brown. I think the team had enough talent to win the championship at least this year but Mike Brown didn't get it done. The Cavs were the only team with the pieces to match up with any team in the NBA, but Brown stuck to his rotations and never put a winning matchup on the floor.
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I agree with everything you've said about Brown...but isn't that an indictment of Ferry as a GM?
 
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buckeyesin07;1711793; said:
I don't see how this impacts the Lebron situation at all. If James wanted Ferry around, I don't think there's any doubt he'd still be in the Cavs' front office.
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Is James even saying what he wants? My reading of the situation is that he's "testing" the Cavs rather than consulting with them on anything at this point.

According to Windhorst, this move by Ferry was about his level of control over player personnel, not loyalty to Mike Brown. He's not gone because he wanted Brown back - in spite of Brown's firing Ferry was negotiating with Gilbert over the last week. Ferry wanted that power, Gilbert didn't want to give it, Ferry walked. End of story. I'm sure some team will give Ferry that kind of control, and judging by what he was able to do in Cleveland under the constraints he had I'm sure he'll do a fine job.
 
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jlb1705;1711795; said:
Is James even saying what he wants? My reading of the situation is that he's "testing" the Cavs rather than consulting with them on anything at this point.

According to Windhorst, this move by Ferry was about his level of control over player personnel, not loyalty to Mike Brown. He's not gone because he wanted Brown back - in spite of Brown's firing Ferry was negotiating with Gilbert over the last week. Ferry wanted that power, Gilbert didn't want to give it, Ferry walked. End of story. I'm sure some team will give Ferry that kind of control, and judging by what he was able to do in Cleveland under the constraints he had I'm sure he'll do a fine job.
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I really hope Lebron is taking calls from Dan Gilbert that the public isn't being made aware of. If not we have no chance.
 
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exhawg;1711749; said:
Well that sucks. Ferry is a guy that will have teams banging down the door to be their GM. I'm sure some people will disagree with me, but he always seemed to pull off the best deal that he had available. He did a good job of trading nothing for something.
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yep......
 
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exhawg;1711749; said:
Well that sucks. Ferry is a guy that will have teams banging down the door to be their GM. I'm sure some people will disagree with me, but he always seemed to pull off the best deal that he had available. He did a good job of trading nothing for something.
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Me personally, I don't see how people can. You hit it spot on saying he pulled off the best move possible.
 
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buchtelgrad04;1711868; said:
Me personally, I don't see how people can. You hit it spot on saying he pulled off the best move possible.
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And that was his strength. Some fans are just never happy. In retrospect, maybe the Jamison deal wasn't as good as we hoped. Now everybody cries he should have went after A'mare, despite the fact that multiple sources said that deal was never close to happening. Ferry is gonna be a very good GM elsewhere now, and for that I am bummed.
 
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NFBuck;1711875; said:
And that was his strength. Some fans are just never happy. In retrospect, maybe the Jamison deal wasn't as good as we hoped. Now everybody cries he should have went after A'mare, despite the fact that multiple sources said that deal was never close to happening. Ferry is gonna be a very good GM elsewhere now, and for that I am bummed.
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Exactly. There are a lot of players I would have rather picked up, but the NBA isn't a fantasy world. I don't want to rehash the pile of crap that Ferry traded to put together a pretty good team, but I would love to know the trades/signings that the Ferry doubters would have made.
The only problem for the team the hires him is that he'll probably try to bring Brown with him.
 
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exhawg;1711882; said:
Exactly. There are a lot of players I would have rather picked up, but the NBA isn't a fantasy world. I don't want to rehash the pile of crap that Ferry traded to put together a pretty good team, but I would love to know the trades/signings that the Ferry doubters would have made.
The only problem for the team the hires him is that he'll probably try to bring Brown with him.
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part of the reason he had to make some of the moves he did was due to the fact that he spent a boatload of money to sign marshall, damon jones and larry hughes, and was saddled with those contracts.
 
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tsteele316;1711892; said:
part of the reason he had to make some of the moves he did was due to the fact that he spent a boatload of money to sign marshall, damon jones and larry hughes, and was saddled with those contracts.
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But at the time none of those seemed like bad moves. Redd and Ray Allen resigned with their teams and Hughes was the next best option. Jones and Marshall were supposed to be the 3 point shooters that Lebron needed to spread the floor. Unfortunately Jones couldn't defend and neither shot as well as they had in their previous stops. Hindsight being 20/20 it would have been nice to make the move for Joe Johnson that Atlanta pulled off, but I don't know if the Cavs had the parts to make that deal. Cavs management had to show Lebron that they were willing to spend money so they spent it on the players that they thought would be the best fit for what they needed. The previous GM screwed at least 2 full drafts for Ferry, which made his draft record look worse. IIRC Hickson was the highest draft pick of the Ferry era and it was a good one. Hopefully in a year or 2 Eyenga will be a good player for the Cavs.
 
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It will be hard for Ferry to find as good of a GM situation as he had in Cleveland. It's a whole new ball game when you have to make your moves AND stay within salary cap considerations. Very few teams have open pockets above that cap line, and the ones that do are hard to get.
 
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exhawg;1711904; said:
But at the time none of those seemed like bad moves. Redd and Ray Allen resigned with their teams and Hughes was the next best option. Jones and Marshall were supposed to be the 3 point shooters that Lebron needed to spread the floor. Unfortunately Jones couldn't defend and neither shot as well as they had in their previous stops. Hindsight being 20/20 it would have been nice to make the move for Joe Johnson that Atlanta pulled off, but I don't know if the Cavs had the parts to make that deal. Cavs management had to show Lebron that they were willing to spend money so they spent it on the players that they thought would be the best fit for what they needed. The previous GM screwed at least 2 full drafts for Ferry, which made his draft record look worse. IIRC Hickson was the highest draft pick of the Ferry era and it was a good one. Hopefully in a year or 2 Eyenga will be a good player for the Cavs.
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at no juncture did anyone really think giving larry hughes a max deal was a good idea.

but you are correct in how paxon fubar'd ferry coming in. with the 2 1sts cleveland lost from paxon's dumb moves cleveland could have had danny granger and david lee.
 
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BigJim;1711951; said:
It will be hard for Ferry to find as good of a GM situation as he had in Cleveland. It's a whole new ball game when you have to make your moves AND stay within salary cap considerations. Very few teams have open pockets above that cap line, and the ones that do are hard to get.
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I'm not sure why it's a good GM situation to have your star player holding you hostage to make rash decisions left and right. I didn't like a lot of the moves Ferry made, but I understood that he was trying to show that he would do whatever it took to make a certain egomaniac happy.

If given the opportunity to build a team, I am confident Ferry can be successful. I'm sad to see him be another casualty of the seven-year failed LBJ experiment.
 
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