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Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

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buchtelgrad04;1708521; said:
I apologize for not making myself coherent (this may not be any better, I'm drunk....what's that you say? On a Tuesday? Yes, don't judge me.) . Mike Brown established a defensive identity during his tenure with the Cavs. Of course there were some (and by "some", I mean countless) times where times where he had mental lapses, but Cleveland was an all around solid defensive basketball team. Defense isn't something teams just "do", they have to be coached. He wasn't a guy who would out coach anyone, but there were 3 things for certain when you watch a Cavs game. 1. They'll play excellent defense during the first 6 minutes and the last 7 minutes. 2. The offense will be awful all game. 3. You'll ask yourself why he was ever hired. I don't know where I'm going with this.
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I don't know either...just from previous posts I feel you're a pretty smart sports fan. I don't see where you're coming from at all though on this. While his regular season defensive numbers always looked solid, all it took was one good team in the post-seaspn to expose his flaws. Over a multiple game series, he became exposed as a guy who wouldn't change philosophies, line-ups, or style of play.

Congrats o the regular season Mike Brown...it might take him to a mid-tier team where he can pile-drive them into sub .500 basketball without the help of the best basketball player in the world.

BW, I can discuss his match-ups all day long. There were numerous options he had available that he never tried or stuck with. Shame on him...seems like a good guy, but his abiliy to coach in the post-season was legendary bad. He was the PhilmJakson of failure...just an embarrasement when it came to adjustments and line-ups.
 
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billmac91;1708522; said:
I don't know either...just from previous posts I feel you're a pretty smart sports fan. I don't see where you're coming from at all though on this. While his regular season defensive numbers always looked solid, all it took was one good team in the post-seaspn to expose his flaws. Over a multiple game series, he became exposed as a guy who wouldn't change philosophies, line-ups, or style of play.

Congrats o the regular season Mike Brown...it might take him to a mid-tier team where he can pile-drive them into sub .500 basketball without the help of the best basketball player in the world.

BW, I can discuss his match-ups all day long. There were numerous options he had available that he never tried or stuck with. Shame on him...seems like a good guy, but his abiliy to coach in the post-season was legendary bad. He was the PhilmJakson of failure...just an embarrasement when it came to adjustments and line-ups.
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I agree that his inability to create favorable match-ups, adjust to unfavorable match-ups, or adjust his rotation (there's no reason Bron should sit out until the 8-7 minute mark of the 4th QT of a game when the other team is on a run.) is great reasons to fire him, but I still believe he brought a defensive mentality to the organization. If I was a head coach of a NBA team, I'd hire him to oversee my defense, as long as he doesn't have any say over rotations, adjustments, etc. Just like John Kuester was a good offensive minded coach, but not really head coach material, yet.
 
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buchtelgrad04;1708600; said:
If I was a head coach of a NBA team, I'd hire him to oversee my defense, as long as he doesn't have any say over rotations, adjustments, etc.
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Sorry, this just strikes me as funny. Overseeing the defense, but not allowed to touch the defense. :slappy:

I've never stated it on here since I don't have a vested interest in Mike Brown, but I think he's a rather head coach. I would liken him to Crennel being the DC for the Patriots, and then sucking hind-tit as HC. However, that's actually a disservice to Romeo (IMO), because IF Brown didn't have LBJ; then he wouldn't have won shit with the Cavs. If the offensive schemes he showed with a superstar were that piss poor; then I'm of the opinion he wouldn't know dick about how to coach a mediocre talent pool.
 
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muffler dragon;1709483; said:
Sorry, this just strikes me as funny. Overseeing the defense, but not allowed to touch the defense. :slappy:

I've never stated it on here since I don't have a vested interest in Mike Brown, but I think he's a rather head coach. I would liken him to Crennel being the DC for the Patriots, and then sucking hind-tit as HC. However, that's actually a disservice to Romeo (IMO), because IF Brown didn't have LBJ; then he wouldn't have won shit with the Cavs. If the offensive schemes he showed with a superstar were that piss poor; then I'm of the opinion he wouldn't know dick about how to coach a mediocre talent pool.
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Yeah, he wouldn't have any say in who guards who and when they come in, just his defensive schemes and implement it into the system.
 
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Well that sucks. Ferry is a guy that will have teams banging down the door to be their GM. I'm sure some people will disagree with me, but he always seemed to pull off the best deal that he had available. He did a good job of trading nothing for something.
 
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exhawg;1711749; said:
Well that sucks. Ferry is a guy that will have teams banging down the door to be their GM. I'm sure some people will disagree with me, but he always seemed to pull off the best deal that he had available. He did a good job of trading nothing for something.
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I know a lot of people around here will blame Mike Brown and criticize me for saying this, but I'm ok with him leaving. He had his chance, and the teams he assembled didn't produce a title. Time to move on.
 
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Danny Ferry resigns as GM of Cleveland Cavaliers | cleveland.com


Ferry will be replaced by top assistant Chris Grant, who has been functioning in the role of almost a co-general manager for the last several years.
It will now be Grant and Gilbert who hire the next coach after another of the organization's top leaders, Mike Brown, was fired as last week.
"I thought it was critical for there to be as much clarity as possible with the basketball operations moving forward," Ferry said. "In hiring a coach it is important for the person to know the structure and who they're partnering with so they can continue to build on the high level that is here now."
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buckeyesin07;1711752; said:
I know a lot of people around here will blame Mike Brown and criticize me for saying this, but I'm ok with him leaving. He had his chance, and the teams he assembled didn't produce a title. Time to move on.
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If Ferry made a mistake it was being too loyal to Mike Brown. I think the team had enough talent to win the championship at least this year but Mike Brown didn't get it done. The Cavs were the only team with the pieces to match up with any team in the NBA, but Brown stuck to his rotations and never put a winning matchup on the floor.
 
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Dunno. .. neither Ferry nor Brown were responsible for Jameson and Mo disappearing when we needed them... I think those two are flying under the radar for the blame they deserve. ..

I was excited to get these guys. .and I like them on my team but they sucked when we needed them most

And I wanted Delonte to play for Boston so he could throw the ball to us instead of them
 
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NJ-Buckeye;1711774; said:
Dunno. .. neither Ferry nor Brown were responsible for Jameson and Mo disappearing when we needed them... I think those two are flying under the radar for the blame they deserve. ..

I was excited to get these guys. .and I like them on my team but they sucked when we needed them most

And I wanted Delonte to play for Boston so he could throw the ball to us instead of them
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It isn't like Lebron played stellar in the last 3 games of the Boston series. There is a lot of blame to go around, but at least for me Mike Brown gets the highest percentage of it. I don't know if anyone could have done a better job putting players around Lebron than Ferry did the past few years.
I have to wonder how Jamison would have played against Boston if he was matched up with Pierce rather than KG. KG was big enough and strong enough that he totally threw Jamison off his game and it was on Brown to avoid that matchup. I would have liked to see more of Lebron at the 1 or 2 with Jamison at the 3 rounded out by Andy and JJ at the 4 and 5. Jamison could have gone back to the 4 when KG was on the bench.
 
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NFBuck;1711784; said:
Christ. You just get the feeling of a ship taking on an awful lot of water here...
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I can pretty much describe it as putting one of us as the head of stopping the oil spill in the gulf....the citizens of the gulf are the fans of cleveland....its a sh1t storm

there is some hope tho...and its all about lebron (obviously)...ferry resigning could go both ways...lebron could of liked or not liked this decesion (windhorst reporting he declined to comment)...this could get us a coach lebron wants now, certain players shipped out, etc.....lot of different options to go with now....sounded like ferry wanted more power and couldnt get it because when its all said and done gilbert is the one who has final say apparently....i am optimistic that as long as gilbert is in town he will buy the whole state of ohio if it means that lebron stays in cleveland
 
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