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Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

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billmac91;1701869; said:
Shaqulle O'Neal, Jamison, Mo Williams are all very good players. A great core around LeBron. I'd take this roster over the 4 starters put around Dwight Howard or Kobe.

It is a shame this team seems to struggle to match playoff intensity. I'm still shocked Mike Brown didn't let LeBron take Rondo today. Such a simple move would pay huge dividends. Will LeBron just flat shut him down....no, but he'd make it a hell of a lot harder than Anthony Parker is. Just slowing him down a little will pay huge dividends. It should be an easy move to make....I just don't understand it.
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Really? You'd take them over the Laker's players? The Magic maybe I can understand, but no way that the Laker's 4 isn't better than the Cavs 4...

...but anyway the team is what the team is. They are definately having problems in facing and dealing with adversity. Correct me if this isn't fair to say, but when things aren't going easy for the Cavs...or when the other team doesn't go belly up after the Cavs go on their runs, they just seem kind of shell shocked on the court.

Lebron has enough seniority now to just say "I'm guarding Rajon." He manages that team more than Kobe does the Lakers, and I doubt Mike Brown would pitch a fit if he decided to guard the guy that's been killing them this series.
 
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billmac91;1701904; said:
Has a "I could drop 20 on Anthony Parker" been created yet? Mo hasn't been guarding Rondo this series. I get the point they're making, but a better group would be...."Mike Brown has a 6'9, 250lb athletic beast who could check Rajon Rondo, but he prefers dying a slow death".
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don't follow this logic. yyou complain about parker's defense, yet you want to put him on the guy that has been boston's best offensive weapon during the entire season, a guy who that 6'9'' 250 lb beast has totally negated the entire series. no. paul pierce finding his game is the last thing the cavs need. look at the numbers. when boston was in a half court set, which usually occurred after a cleveland score, rondo was quite ineffective, 9-21 shooting with 3 assists I believe. That shows you what needs to happen.
 
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tsteele316;1701905; said:
don't follow this logic. yyou complain about parker's defense, yet you want to put him on the guy that has been boston's best offensive weapon during the entire season, a guy who that 6'9'' 250 lb beast has totally negated the entire series. no. paul pierce finding his game is the last thing the cavs need. look at the numbers. when boston was in a half court set, which usually occurred after a cleveland score, rondo was quite ineffective, 9-21 shooting with 3 assists I believe. That shows you what needs to happen.
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Rajon Rondo is Boston's offense. He makes them tick. Stop him and the Cavs win the series. Period. So yes, I'd be happy with a good defender in Anthony Parker taking on Paul Pierce. Paul Pierce doesn't have quick feet and he doesn't explode with the ball. Anthony Parker can hang in against Paul. He's getting his ankles broke while giving Rondo 5 feet of space though. LeBron said it himself after the game..."maybe I need to do it myself"..meaning guard Rondo since no one has been able to do it.

I'd much rather have LeBron looking to pick Rajon up in transition fast breaks, than Anthony Parker who can't hang with him when he already has a head of steam. Let Parker pick-up Pierce. We need LeBron to slow down Rondo.
 
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The Cavs have 6 PF/C type of players not counting Lebron. I would like to see them smack the shit out of Rondo every time he takes it to the hole. Turn him into a beat up FT and jump shooter and see how he plays in the second half. Rondo isn't tough enough to take 3-4 hard fouls from all of the Cavs bigs and still contribute at the end of the game. I don't care who guards Rondo. Just play off of him and make it hard to drive. If he jacks up semi-open long shots it's a win. When he does drive have one of the bigs give him a hard foul.
This team goes as Lebron goes. I'm not sure how Lebron can go from beast to not taking an outside shot in 3 days, but he keeps doing it. When Lebron doesn't come out strong it seems like the rest of the team doesn't pick up the slack. The best the Cavs looked yesterday was when Lebron was resting in the 2nd quarter. The ball moved and other guys got involved. I'm just not a big fan on relying on isolation and kicks for offense. I'm not sure if that's Lebron or Mike Brown.
The officiating overall was horrible yesterday, but it was far worse for the Cavs. When a team can't shoot and they can't get a call when they go to the hoop and get fouled it makes it very hard to win a game. All I ask for is that the refs call it fair both ways.
This series seems to be going back and forth where the team that loses comes out strong in the next game. It would be nice to see the Cavs get their head in the game and play hard for 48 minutes every game. It's almost like they think the NBA title is already theirs.
The slimmest of silver linings I can find is that the Magic are going to be in the same position that the Cavs were in last year. They have faced 2 teams that quit on the season so they haven't had to play a hard game yet in the playoffs. Now they will have a break between the 2nd and 3rd round, although probably not as long as the Cavs last year. I personally think the Cavs match up better against the Magic and Lakers than the Bulls and Celtics so they just need to make it to the next round to prove me right. These next 2-3 games are make or break time for Lebron. If he wants to be mentioned with the greats of the game this is his time to shine and if I were him I wouldn't want to let it go to game 7.
 
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I like LeBron on Rondo for the simple reason that it may get LeBron to f^*&ing focus if he has that challenge.

Put him on their best player.

Actually, I like the idea of switching things up. Don't let Rondo get comfortable seeing just one look. He's too crafty and intelligent to figure things out. Throw LeBron, Parker, Mo, Moon, et al at him.

Too bad this idea would require Mike Brown to actually coach and dissect different matchups as the game is taking place.
 
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OHSportsFan9;1701924; said:
I like LeBron on Rondo for the simple reason that it may get LeBron to f^*&ing focus if he has that challenge.

Put him on their best player.

Actually, I like the idea of switching things up. Don't let Rondo get comfortable seeing just one look. He's too crafty and intelligent to figure things out. Throw LeBron, Parker, Mo, Moon, et al at him.

Too bad this idea would require Mike Brown to actually coach and dissect different matchups as the game is taking place.
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They did some of this in game 3. Not sure where it went in game 4. I'd prefer just letting LeBron guard Rondo straight-up, much like the Lakers did with Kobe on Russell Westbrook when Derek Fisher couldn't hold his jock.

The problem with Rondo is his ability to get in the paint and defenders leaving to help. The 29 points is bad enough but when he's dropiing 12-13 assists you're in A LOT of trouble. LeBron needs to man him up, Mike Brown needs to be insistent that players stick with their man and NOT help, and hopefully LeBron is capable of altering and changing shots. I don't think LeBron can keep Rondo in front of him, but I think he's quick and explosive enough to make him adjust shots at the rim and cause him to bail on drives. The key is for the help defense to stay with their man though. Way too many back-door lay-ups and dribble/drive dump-offs to players for lay-ups.
 
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exhawg;1701922; said:
I would like to see them smack the shit out of Rondo every time he takes it to the hole. .
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I was screaming this at my TV yesterday (I guess they didn't hear me)

Let Shaq put a hard foul on him going to the basket much like game 1 - and you'll see that scrawny little bird think twice before being so aggressive in the lane.

As for Rondo's rebounds last night, while I think it is incredibly sad; some of those were just 'right place, right time'. He got what, 3 off of shot clock violations? ... they just fell right into his lap. However if he tries to go up strong at all under the hoop you knock his ass to the floor. That simple.
 
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The Cavs don't have playoff intensity. They haven't seemed to have it since they were playing teams like the Wizards and Pistons every year. I think the relative ease with which they've carved their way through the regular season they past two years makes them think they can pace themselves the same way and turn it off or on as they please.

I really think this team needs to consider a change in head coach. This team is too passive, and to me it starts with the coach and they way they view playing with the best player in the world. We hear all the time how one of LeBron's virtues is that he makes the players around him better. That's a great quality and it works out well in the regular season. That's not enough in the playoffs. I think they've ended up a team that counts on LeBron's rising tide to raise all ships, and they're facing teams where role players and scrubs are stepping up on their own account. How many times have we been able to say that about a Cavs role player? The only instance I can think of is Daniel Gibson three years ago. I think Mike Brown has modeled an attitude about his star player's role that has infected the rest of the team. I'd like for the Cavs to have a coach who challenges them to play better and contribute more on their own account rather than counting on LeBron to elevate them to where they want to be.

I'm beginning to regret the Cavs not making the Amare deal for that reason. I liked getting Jamison, I liked getting Hickson and I liked getting back Z. Looking back though I think Amare could've been the kind of player for the Cavs who would've been more assertive, who would've elevated his game on his own rather than waiting for LeBron to provide him with the opportunity.
 
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I don't want Lebron on Rondo. The gameplan worked well in Game 3, and if the team had been crashing the boards with some urgency, it would have worked in Game 4. It wasn't the gameplan, IMO, as much as it was the execution.

Lebron is shutting down Pierce. I'd like that to continue. If the Rondo problem persists, they need to learn to make in-game adjustments. I hope Mike Brown is capable of identifying where those adjustments need to be made.
 
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OH10;1701950; said:
I don't want Lebron on Rondo. The gameplan worked well in Game 3, and if the team had been crashing the boards with some urgency, it would have worked in Game 4. It wasn't the gameplan, IMO, as much as it was the execution.

Lebron is shutting down Pierce. I'd like that to continue. If the Rondo problem persists, they need to learn to make in-game adjustments. I hope Mike Brown is capable of identifying where those adjustments need to be made.
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I agree with this. I don't want to see Pierce get going. Plus, I think Rondo would be better at drawing cheap fouls on LeBron and I don't want to see him in foul trouble.

I think the current gameplan for Rondo would work well enough if he wasn't killing them so bad in transition. That's not a matchup problem though, it's a team defense, rebounding, and even an offensive problem.
 
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jlb1705;1701949; said:
I'm beginning to regret the Cavs not making the Amare deal for that reason. I liked getting Jamison, I liked getting Hickson and I liked getting back Z. Looking back though I think Amare could've been the kind of player for the Cavs who would've been more assertive, who would've elevated his game on his own rather than waiting for LeBron to provide him with the opportunity.
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I think that deal was overblown. It sounded like the Cavs had offered Z, JJ, Green and at least a 1st round pick and it wasn't enough. I think Ferry made the best deal he could get.
 
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