Cavs 08-09 Season - Central Div Champs (official thread)

[billmac91]

it amazes me that people really think the refs are homers. People always complain about the refs because unless a call or no call is obvious, then it's wrong if it goes against their team. Fans are the ones that are biased, not the refs...cept for the crooked one that was ousted, which had little to do with being a homer.

I think you're crazy if you believe the Cavs would have only gone to the free-throw line 1 time in the first half at Gund Arena.

The outrage of home fans would have been enough to get LeBron to the line a few times. Home court makes a difference. No one screams bloody murder when LeBron gets contact under the hoop and no whistle is blown. 30,000 fans letting the officials know they're not protecting a superstar have a way of giving the home team an advantage.

 

[OCBucksFan]

I think you're crazy if you believe the Cavs would have only gone to the free-throw line 1 time in the first half at Gund Arena.

The outrage of home fans would have been enough to get LeBron to the line a few times. Home court makes a difference. No one screams bloody murder when LeBron gets contact under the hoop and no whistle is blown. 30,000 fans letting the officials know they're not protecting a superstar have a way of giving the home team an advantage.

I am going to agree and disagree here. First off, I don't think the refs are homers, those refs travel around and aren't regularly at the same place. The same groups do several games in the area, meaning that the guys who do the Lakers games do everywhere from Portland to San Antonio, they rotate around. So, no, I don't think the refs intentionally miss calls.

That being said..

I do think that energy in an arena does get to them. There's no denying the energy you feel when a crowd is energized and into it, and Basketball seems to have more of that energy than any other major sport with it's constant scoring and fast paced action. I think that energy gets to the refs, they are only human. This can be said as one of the things that makes the league unfair for the Lakers and the Celtics. Can anyone say that when they play at your stadium against your team that their fans don't show up in large ammounts?

Either way, that's my thoughts, tsteele can probably come in and tell me that it's a fix and that Kobe kidnapped his children or something...

 

[billmac91]

I am going to agree and disagree here. First off, I don't think the refs are homers, those refs travel around and aren't regularly at the same place. The same groups do several games in the area, meaning that the guys who do the Lakers games do everywhere from Portland to San Antonio, they rotate around. So, no, I don't think the refs intentionally miss calls.

That being said..

I do think that energy in an arena does get to them. There's no denying the energy you feel when a crowd is energized and into it, and Basketball seems to have more of that energy than any other major sport with it's constant scoring and fast paced action. I think that energy gets to the refs, they are only human. This can be said as one of the things that makes the league unfair for the Lakers and the Celtics. Can anyone say that when they play at your stadium against your team that their fans don't show up in large ammounts?

Either way, that's my thoughts, tsteele can probably come in and tell me that it's a fix and that Kobe kidnapped his children or something...

I think we're saying the same thing here...the first time LeBron went to the hoop and drew contact with no whistle, that's 30,000 fans displaying negative energy.

The next time LeBron goes to the hoop on a similar play, he's more likely to get the call. He got no calls in LA. I agree officials don't intentionally miss calls....but its easier to miss a call on LeBron in LA than in Cleveland b/c fans aren't going to jump out of their seats in displeasure when he goes to the rack, takes contact, misses a 3 footer and doesn't get to the stripe. The refs aren't going to hear about. Therefore they aren't as self-conscience about it. In Cleveland LeBron can't go to the rack 3 times in a row with that type of contact, and not get at least one respect whistle.

Kobe got several respect whistles last night. He may not have gotten those calls in Cleveland.

 

[tsteele316]

I am going to agree and disagree here. First off, I don't think the refs are homers, those refs travel around and aren't regularly at the same place. The same groups do several games in the area, meaning that the guys who do the Lakers games do everywhere from Portland to San Antonio, they rotate around. So, no, I don't think the refs intentionally miss calls.

That being said..

I do think that energy in an arena does get to them. There's no denying the energy you feel when a crowd is energized and into it, and Basketball seems to have more of that energy than any other major sport with it's constant scoring and fast paced action. I think that energy gets to the refs, they are only human. This can be said as one of the things that makes the league unfair for the Lakers and the Celtics. Can anyone say that when they play at your stadium against your team that their fans don't show up in large ammounts?

Either way, that's my thoughts, tsteele can probably come in and tell me that it's a fix and that Kobe kidnapped his children or something...

actually, the fact that i said had the game been played in cleveland that lebron would have been at the free throw line 30 times simply points out that you agreed with my premise. the rest of your post is homeristic blather. by the by, kobe doesn't kidnap children, he just forces butt sex upon teenagers.

 

[Brutus1]

As much as some calls piss you off, I think they all become a wash eventually. It always appears more bad calls happen on the road, no matter the arena. Lebron gets more than his share of calls at home. One thing going against him is that he's so damn big, alot of stuff doesn't get called because it appears to be nothing, just like when Shaq was in his prime.

As a basketball official, it's easy to get blocked out so you have to call what appears to be a foul. I have no problem with shooting fouls if they're called both ways. I have a big problem when they start calling touch fouls. Just having a hand on the player is a bullshit call at any level.

 

[Bucks21]

Anybody know if the Cavs are on in columbus?

 

[exhawg]

I don't think Brown has any faith in the bigs once they get past JJ at this point. He's running JJ at the 5 and Wally at the 4 with the second unit. Z can't get back soon enough. Once he's back the Cavs will go from being weak at the bigs to strong. JJ has really been coming along.

 

[exhawg]

Talk about a freethrow disparity. I doubt the Blazers deserved 18 more FT's than the Cavs. The refs started out calling every ticky tack foul both ways and then stopped giving them to the Cavs. On one foul Przybilla wiped out Mo with his arm knocking him to the ground and they called the foul on Mo. Those refs are going to have some questions to answer with they review the tape. The Rose Garden did seem louder than other arenas. I'm glad the Cavs came out with a win against a good team. Luckily they stayed pretty hot from outside most of the game. That was a game that I didn't know if they would be able to win. This will have to be the Lebron and Mo show at least until Z gets back.

Who to root for tonight? I'm not sure who the bigger threat is the Celtics or the Magic. It would be great if KG and Howard would get into a scuffle and then KG would go into the stands like Artest, but I'd settle for a 3 game suspension for Howard. :p

 

[tsteele316]

Anybody know if the Cavs are on in columbus?

when the cavs aren't on FSN in Columbus they are on the local access station, which is either channel 18 on WOW cable or channel 24? on Time Warner.

it's ridiculous that FSN doesn't have HD for away games.

 

[exhawg]

when the cavs aren't on FSN in Columbus they are on the local access station, which is either channel 18 on WOW cable or channel 24? on Time Warner.

it's ridiculous that FSN doesn't have HD for away games.

That sucks, because they are broadcasting in HD, but must only be to the Cleveland area. I think they said that the rest of the season is in HD. Unfortunately FSN HD sucks in comparison to any other HD. The quality just isn't as good as when the games are on TNT or ESPN. I don't understand why TWC has the FSN HD channel, but they only turn it on durring the game.

 

[Bucks21]

when the cavs aren't on FSN in Columbus they are on the local access station, which is either channel 18 on WOW cable or channel 24? on Time Warner.

it's ridiculous that FSN doesn't have HD for away games.

Thanks tsteele for the info. For whatever reason the Ohio State Time Warner that we get in the dorms does not have that local access channel. Channel 24 for us last night was Disney.

 

[tsteele316]

Thanks tsteele for the info. For whatever reason the Ohio State Time Warner that we get in the dorms does not have that local access channel. Channel 24 for us last night was Disney.

that's weird. the TW cable guide says that channel 24 is the time warner connection, which is what the cavs used to be on, and disney is channel 35.

my guess is that the dorms have some sort of service package bundle deal.

for instance, when I had time warner, my upstairs TV did not have any cable box, and was plugged in to the activated cable jack in the wall. all the channels were different. my guess is that is what you have.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Good game last night...

We are tough to beat when we are making jumpers...Especially LBJ and a couple of Mo, Boobie, West, Wally...

When we struggle is when we aren't making jumpers...

BUt we can still be a good team when we are not making jumpers, we just need to get LBJ on the post in those situations...He should of taken Kobe down low the other night, instead of a lot of one on one from out top...Love it when Mo and Delonte penetrate as well, because they make the floater in the lane at a high percentage...

Where we lost the Lakers game the other night was the Lakers ability to score to easily...We couldn't make a run because we coudln't stop them...Obviously the fouls are more frustrating in that situation...The refs let them play quite a bit, but the Lakers did get more ticky tack fouls, but it is what it is...But our lack of anyone to really guard Bynum or Gasol down low hurt us...We needed Z last night to play along side Andy...

We will be fine once we get everyone back...

 

[BuckeyeMafia]

Should get a win tonight with Utah and Orlando fast approaching.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

I've always thought that if we could get through that Orlando game and still be at least tied for fewest losses in the East then this stretch that started with the Boston game will have been a success. Especially considering the injury problems. I'm hoping we get Z back soon so we can get back on track, the defense hasn't been quite as stingy with the depleted depth in the frontcourt.