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Cavs 08-09 Season - Central Div Champs (official thread)

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Buckeye Nut;1386276; said:
The Cavs missed Big Z big time tonight, the Lakers got a lot of easy points down low that wouldn't have been nearly as easy had Z been in there. Hopefully he's back when they play again in three weeks.
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It would be nice to have a whole healthy team for the next game, but I'd settle for Z. With the current player that the Cavs have I think Pavs would see a lot of time against the Lakers regardless of West's injury just to have a bigger defender on Kobe.
 
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Watched last night... what I noticed... the big thing: Besides Lebron only 2 of Cleveland players (playing last night) make the rotation in LA: Mo Williams and Andy Verejou as the fourth big. Even with West and Z healthy it's still only 2 because that pushes Andy out.

Wally is dead weight. The Cavs could definitely use a real piece for his expiring contract. I don't care that they have great Chemistry. If anyone of Z, West, Williams, Varejou, or maybe even Gibson is hurt the Cavs are just short. You can't depend on being healthy in the play-offs so you need a piece for the Wally deal.

Pavlovic hit an open shot or 2 in the first half, but I remember watching him consistently brick open 3s in the corner in the 2nd half. He's not good enough to depend on consistently if you want to beat the Lakers.
 
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I'm trying to keep in mind that the Cavs were missing 2 out of 5 starters. That said, the Cavs lost not because they were missing those guys, but because they did not match the Lakers aggressiveness and intensity. The Cavs were getting beat to a lot of rebounds and loose balls. The Lakers were more active than the Cavs on defense. When Cleveland did take the ball to the rim, the didn't finish with strength or assertiveness. LeBron would try to flip it off the glass or do some other dipsy-doo crap, and everybody else would make some unnecessary interior pass to Ben Wallace. The Lakers forced the Cavs into way too many three-pointers. They knocked them down in the first half, but couldn't keep up in the second.

I know there is an injury, but I think we saw Lorenzen Wright more tonight than I'd hope to see him the rest of they year combined.
 
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tsteele316;1386291; said:
if you watched the lakers and celtics on x-mas day, you would have seen that tonight was an exact replay from an officiating standpoint.
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You mean where the Lakers had 17 Personal Fouls and the Cavs had 14? The Celtics had 25 the Lakers had 18, so no, it's nothing like that. I will accept the being short handed reason, but if you're trying to say the refs gave the Lakers the game then you're making a very sad excuse.

Cavs fans, you were short handed, and the Lakers are a really tall team, they kept the Cavs outside and they adjusted in the first half taking advantage, in the second half, the shots weren't falling. You get a rematch at your house in February, Ben Wallace will be back and you'll have someone inside, it will make a dramatic change, and if Bynum gets into foul trouble in that game you'll blow the Lakers out.

We still have a half of a season left, don't start whining yet.
 
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OCBucksFan;1386841; said:
You mean where the Lakers had 17 Personal Fouls and the Cavs had 14? The Celtics had 25 the Lakers had 18, so no, it's nothing like that. I will accept the being short handed reason, but if you're trying to say the refs gave the Lakers the game then you're making a very sad excuse.

Cavs fans, you were short handed, and the Lakers are a really tall team, they kept the Cavs outside and they adjusted in the first half taking advantage, in the second half, the shots weren't falling. You get a rematch at your house in February, Ben Wallace will be back and you'll have someone inside, it will make a dramatic change, and if Bynum gets into foul trouble in that game you'll blow the Lakers out.

We still have a half of a season left, don't start whining yet.
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i get it, you're a lakers fan and of course anyone that comes within 3 feet of kobe when shooting should automatically be whistled. lebron james got murdered under the hoop last night, and no amount of rationalizing will change it. had the game been played in cleveland, lebron shoots about 30 free throws.
 
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tsteele316;1386886; said:
i get it, you're a lakers fan and of course anyone that comes within 3 feet of kobe when shooting should automatically be whistled. lebron james got murdered under the hoop last night, and no amount of rationalizing will change it. had the game been played in cleveland, lebron shoots about 30 free throws.
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:lol:
 
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OCBucksFan;1386912; said:
:lol:
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the frustration comes from watching Kobe get two and 1's on little or no contact (Pavlavich grazed Kobe's arm on the step back J, and LeBron didn't touch Kobe on his driving and 1 from behind the backboard). Both great plays by Kobe, neither should have been called.

Contrast that with LeBron going to the hoop and getting zero calls. The only time they blew the whistle was when Lakers were intentionally "hard-fouling" him. Odom, Bynum both come to mind.

LA was the better team last night, but called fouls rarely tell the whole story. It wasn't the worst officiated game I have ever seen, and didn't sniff the debotchery of Michigan - Ohio State from a few days ago. But you can expect Cleveland to get to the line moe than 1 time in the first half if that game is at Cleveland. And LeBron gets a few calls he didn't in LA....

is what it is....
 
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billmac91 said:
the frustration comes from watching Kobe get two and 1's on little or no contact (Pavlavich grazed Kobe's arm on the step back J, and LeBron didn't touch Kobe on his driving and 1 from behind the backboard). Both great plays by Kobe, neither should have been called.

Contrast that with LeBron going to the hoop and getting zero calls. The only time they blew the whistle was when Lakers were intentionally "hard-fouling" him. Odom, Bynum both come to mind.

LA was the better team last night, but called fouls rarely tell the whole story. It wasn't the worst officiated game I have ever seen, and didn't sniff the debotchery of Michigan - Ohio State from a few days ago. But you can expect Cleveland to get to the line moe than 1 time in the first half if that game is at Cleveland. And LeBron gets a few calls he didn't in LA....

is what it is....
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it amazes me that people really think the refs are homers. People always complain about the refs because unless a call or no call is obvious, then it's wrong if it goes against their team. Fans are the ones that are biased, not the refs...cept for the crooked one that was ousted, which had little to do with being a homer.
 
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