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exhawg
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I like this move to bring the Cavs into the season. They needed another scorer and Mo fits that bill. He and Redd dominated the Cavs backcourt in a game last year. I like West, but his value has bottomed out now with the trade. Funny thing is that this trade might not have happened if West had just signed a contract similar to Boobie. Right now I think you have Mo and Boobie at the PG with both playing together some. Wally and Pav's will split SG also seeing some time backing up Lebron. Ben and Z will start at the bigs with Andy being the main backup and Hickson hopefully seeing around 20 minutes a game. If West does come back he will be the 3rd PG IMO.
I still think they will make a move before the deadline. They have Wally, Snow, and maybe Andy to trade if they want to. Now that they traded Joe it might be a good idea to try to hold on to Andy. It sounds like he was going to take the summer off to make sure he has a good season this year. IMO Andy and Hickson could be a good set of bigs in the future although I don't know if Andy will think about resigning with the Cavs even if they offer him a better deal than other teams. On the bright side for him he will be the 3rd big again and probably see more minutes than after the trade last year. More minutes = happy Andy. They can probably unload Ben's contract in a year and a half at the trading deadline if they can resign Andy. Regardless of what happens in the future they are a better team now than they were at the end of the season.
I still think they will make a move before the deadline. They have Wally, Snow, and maybe Andy to trade if they want to. Now that they traded Joe it might be a good idea to try to hold on to Andy. It sounds like he was going to take the summer off to make sure he has a good season this year. IMO Andy and Hickson could be a good set of bigs in the future although I don't know if Andy will think about resigning with the Cavs even if they offer him a better deal than other teams. On the bright side for him he will be the 3rd big again and probably see more minutes than after the trade last year. More minutes = happy Andy. They can probably unload Ben's contract in a year and a half at the trading deadline if they can resign Andy. Regardless of what happens in the future they are a better team now than they were at the end of the season.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
if you look at OKC's roster, it's very possible that they wimply waive joe smith anyway. they have quite a few PF/C guys, and I don't know where he fits into the equation.
they have:
PF: wilcox, jeff green, dj white (rookie), and nick collison (and donyell marshall)
C: Hardin (rookie), Ibaka (Rookie), Sene, Petro and Robert Swift.
I just don't see where Joe Smith is going to get any minutes ahead of most of those guys, even if they send some of the rookies to the D-League.
It would be comically great if the cut smith and he resigned a 2 year deal with the Cavs.
they have:
PF: wilcox, jeff green, dj white (rookie), and nick collison (and donyell marshall)
C: Hardin (rookie), Ibaka (Rookie), Sene, Petro and Robert Swift.
I just don't see where Joe Smith is going to get any minutes ahead of most of those guys, even if they send some of the rookies to the D-League.
It would be comically great if the cut smith and he resigned a 2 year deal with the Cavs.
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Bucks21
Hall of Fame
It's time to change our thinking about the future of LeBron James, time to turn the viewpoint that James will leave Cleveland on its ear ? for good reason.
Because the Cavs seem to have something very slick and important up their sleeve. And that is to keep James and give him a superstar-caliber cohort as a teammate.
The vision ? and it's not a pipe dream ? has James staying and playing on the same team as Dwyane Wade. Or Chris Bosh. Or Josh Howard. Or Amare Stoudamire. Or any of the other big-name NBA guys who can become a free agent in the summer of 2010.
Don't laugh.
There is only one NBA team positioned to sign two superstars in 2010, and that's the Cavaliers.
That's because there's only one team with a superstar and the cap room to sign another.
Everyone has been focusing on the cap space of the New Jersey Nets or the New York Knicks or Athens, Greece, but the Cavs quietly have manipulated themselves to the point that they have more salary-cap room than anyone for that offseason.
The Cavs have almost $30 million in cap space ? and that counts James' salary, which will go away when he opts out of his final year.
As of today the Cavs have four players under contract (sort of) in 2010-11: James for $17 million (though he's probably going to be a free agent), Maurice Williams for $9.3 million, Daniel Gibson for $4 million and J.J. Hickson on a team option for $1.5 million.
That's it.
Wally Szczerbiak's contract expires after this season.
Ben Wallace goes after two seasons.
So does Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
Other players surely will be added to the roster, but the Cavs won't add anyone who will compromise their ability to bring in talent in 2010.
This, apparently, is what General Manager Danny Ferry always talks about when he says he wants to maintain future roster flexibility.
he Cavs realistically will be able to re-sign James and add another top-caliber player, as well as the other pieces and parts needed to make a team.
All they have to do is sign the other free agents first, then sign LeBron. Because NBA rules state a team can go over the cap to sign its free agent.
Another team might want to add James, of course. But no other team will be able to add James and another max contract. To do so, a team would need $40 million or so in cap room. The cap is projected to be $60 million in 2010, which means a team would have two guys with max deals and a bunch of other ''guys'' who would average, at the most, $2 million a year.
Which means it would be a bunch of Developmental League guys and two stars.
The myth of NBA free agency is that a standout will leave his team willingly.
The reality is that it doesn't happen that often. The perception grows because it is a huge story when someone like Steve Nash or Shaquille O'Neal changes teams. Most of the time, a player stays where he can make the most money for the longest number of years.
So the thinking should be to expect James to stay.
But the reality is that he could stay, and the Cavs — not the Knicks or the Los Angeles Lakers or the Miami Heat — could add another star to go with him.
Enough with the angst already.
As the Cavs no doubt are thinking — and if they're not thinking this way, they're nuts — it's not about James leaving Cleveland in 2010. It's about what superstar will join him in Cleveland.
Ohio.com - Pat's Beside the Point: Superstar gazing
Because the Cavs seem to have something very slick and important up their sleeve. And that is to keep James and give him a superstar-caliber cohort as a teammate.
The vision ? and it's not a pipe dream ? has James staying and playing on the same team as Dwyane Wade. Or Chris Bosh. Or Josh Howard. Or Amare Stoudamire. Or any of the other big-name NBA guys who can become a free agent in the summer of 2010.
Don't laugh.
There is only one NBA team positioned to sign two superstars in 2010, and that's the Cavaliers.
That's because there's only one team with a superstar and the cap room to sign another.
Everyone has been focusing on the cap space of the New Jersey Nets or the New York Knicks or Athens, Greece, but the Cavs quietly have manipulated themselves to the point that they have more salary-cap room than anyone for that offseason.
The Cavs have almost $30 million in cap space ? and that counts James' salary, which will go away when he opts out of his final year.
As of today the Cavs have four players under contract (sort of) in 2010-11: James for $17 million (though he's probably going to be a free agent), Maurice Williams for $9.3 million, Daniel Gibson for $4 million and J.J. Hickson on a team option for $1.5 million.
That's it.
Wally Szczerbiak's contract expires after this season.
Ben Wallace goes after two seasons.
So does Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
Other players surely will be added to the roster, but the Cavs won't add anyone who will compromise their ability to bring in talent in 2010.
This, apparently, is what General Manager Danny Ferry always talks about when he says he wants to maintain future roster flexibility.
he Cavs realistically will be able to re-sign James and add another top-caliber player, as well as the other pieces and parts needed to make a team.
All they have to do is sign the other free agents first, then sign LeBron. Because NBA rules state a team can go over the cap to sign its free agent.
Another team might want to add James, of course. But no other team will be able to add James and another max contract. To do so, a team would need $40 million or so in cap room. The cap is projected to be $60 million in 2010, which means a team would have two guys with max deals and a bunch of other ''guys'' who would average, at the most, $2 million a year.
Which means it would be a bunch of Developmental League guys and two stars.
The myth of NBA free agency is that a standout will leave his team willingly.
The reality is that it doesn't happen that often. The perception grows because it is a huge story when someone like Steve Nash or Shaquille O'Neal changes teams. Most of the time, a player stays where he can make the most money for the longest number of years.
So the thinking should be to expect James to stay.
But the reality is that he could stay, and the Cavs — not the Knicks or the Los Angeles Lakers or the Miami Heat — could add another star to go with him.
Enough with the angst already.
As the Cavs no doubt are thinking — and if they're not thinking this way, they're nuts — it's not about James leaving Cleveland in 2010. It's about what superstar will join him in Cleveland.
Ohio.com - Pat's Beside the Point: Superstar gazing
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Brutus1
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That's great and all, but do any of theose players want to play bad enough with LBJ to the point that they leave more dollars and years on the table to move to the Cavs? Remember, we only got Larry Hughes because our first two options stayed with their own teams for more money and years: Redd and Ray Allen.
Their best bet may be to trade expiring contracts to get one of those stars during their last season before they hit f.a.
Although, the '10/11 roster with LBJ, Gibby, Mo W and Hickson is a great place to start.
Their best bet may be to trade expiring contracts to get one of those stars during their last season before they hit f.a.
Although, the '10/11 roster with LBJ, Gibby, Mo W and Hickson is a great place to start.
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The only problem with that thinking is potential trades before 2010. Cuz really can the Cavs not do anything until 2010 and be able to keep LeBron?
The only way to keep LeBron is to build a championship calibur team while he is here. Cuz I don't care who says what, if the Cavs go to the NBA finals in 2008 or 2009 can LeBron be able to leave? Cuz if he cries " I want to win it all" who can take him serious when he took the Cavs to the finals 2/3 times in 4 years?
And to do that we have to trade Wally for someone. And you know whoever we take back will have a big contract and probable be tied up for a few years. And then in 2009 I am sure they would trade an expiring contract for another player.
While it is nice to think the Cavs can just sit back and sign anyone and everyone in 2010. You are playing russian roulette.
The only way to keep LeBron is to build a championship calibur team while he is here. Cuz I don't care who says what, if the Cavs go to the NBA finals in 2008 or 2009 can LeBron be able to leave? Cuz if he cries " I want to win it all" who can take him serious when he took the Cavs to the finals 2/3 times in 4 years?
And to do that we have to trade Wally for someone. And you know whoever we take back will have a big contract and probable be tied up for a few years. And then in 2009 I am sure they would trade an expiring contract for another player.
While it is nice to think the Cavs can just sit back and sign anyone and everyone in 2010. You are playing russian roulette.
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Brutus1
Don't be penurious, donate to the BP Spring Dr.
It's still all about the dollar! How many players have actually signed here because they wanted to play with LBJ? None that I can think of. Hughes signed because they threw a boatload of money at him.
Superstars just don't leave their teams, unless they are traded, at least guys that are already established super stars.
They should stop expecting a super star to sign, and sign a very good younger player that will turn into a star playing alongside LBJ.
Despite not having a 2nd star, I'm having a very good feeling about the team this season. As many holes as they had last season, they took the Champs to 7 games. By seasons end, I expect Hickson to be contributing. As soon as he shows he can play defense, I expect Andy to be dealt, since he's the one player that will draw interest from alot of teams. I think the big difference will be the offensive threat that Mo Williams will bring. He'll be fine defensively. When needed, most NBA players can play defense. He didn't have to in Milwaukee, he will here. With a healthy Gibson, Wallace and Pavlovic, the bench should be pretty decent. LBJ continues to improve alot every season. I'm not one to wear Wine and Gold glasses, but I'm fully expecting at the very least, this team will be in the conference finals.
Superstars just don't leave their teams, unless they are traded, at least guys that are already established super stars.
They should stop expecting a super star to sign, and sign a very good younger player that will turn into a star playing alongside LBJ.
Despite not having a 2nd star, I'm having a very good feeling about the team this season. As many holes as they had last season, they took the Champs to 7 games. By seasons end, I expect Hickson to be contributing. As soon as he shows he can play defense, I expect Andy to be dealt, since he's the one player that will draw interest from alot of teams. I think the big difference will be the offensive threat that Mo Williams will bring. He'll be fine defensively. When needed, most NBA players can play defense. He didn't have to in Milwaukee, he will here. With a healthy Gibson, Wallace and Pavlovic, the bench should be pretty decent. LBJ continues to improve alot every season. I'm not one to wear Wine and Gold glasses, but I'm fully expecting at the very least, this team will be in the conference finals.
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Bucks21
Hall of Fame
Sorry you guys might want to read the rest of the article(I forgot to paste it all). The idea is that the Cavs will be able to offer Dwade of another superstar that summer a max contract and then be able to resign Lebron to one too. The only hole in this theory is if the Cavs traded for a large contract that didn't expire before the offseason after 2009.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
Brutus1;1238723; said:
it's tough to say the cavs screwed that up. paraphrasing jim tressel, you have be a gentleman in order to have a gentleman's agreement. only one of the two parties involved met that criteria.
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