Cavs 07-08 Season Thread

[crazybuckfan40]

O'neal is a PF...Nothing like a SF...Z, Big Ben, and Oneal gives you three stars int he front court, and while they are not all the healthiest and youngest guys that is a tough front line to contend with, an O'neal can give you 20 pts on any given night...It allows for lots of different combos, and you also have Joe Smith to come off the bench as well...

As for a scorer, I agree we could use a guard, but if we got O'neal for Wally and someone else, then I would look at Sasha as the 2g and West at the point, with Boobie and Devin Brown as backups, and then our first round draft pick, say Brandon Rush, CDR, or a veteran of some sort....

As for us killing Boston if Boobie doesn't get hurt that is wishful thinking IMO...Boobie really hadn't been a big factor all series...

Another thing that I have seen thrown around some...But what about getting Oneal and Redd...Understand it is a very very long shot at best, but if both teams are willing to give those two up for say a player and some expiring contracts, we have 20 million in expiring contracts, then throw in Sasha and Wild Thing as two young barginning chips, and also next years draft pick...

Probably a wishful thought, but who would of thought Boston would get Ray Allen and KG in the same offseason...

 

[LitlBuck]

Another thing that I have seen thrown around some...But what about getting Oneal and Redd...Understand it is a very very long shot at best, but if both teams are willing to give those two up for say a player and some expiring contracts, we have 20 million in expiring contracts, then throw in Sasha and Wild Thing as two young barginning chips, and also next years draft pick...

Probably a wishful thought, but who would of thought Boston would get Ray Allen and KG in the same offseason...

For those of you who follow NBA basketball a little closer than myself would you be willing to part with Z to do this deal or I guess a better way of putting it would Milwaukee or Indiana bite if he was included along with the other guys from Cleveland previously mentioned.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

For those of you who follow NBA basketball a little closer than myself would you be willing to part with Z to do this deal or I guess a better way of putting it would Milwaukee or Indiana bite if he was included along with the other guys from Cleveland previously mentioned.

Just don't see Z going anywhere...I would part with him, if they get a good return in one of the guys mentioned in O'neal and Redd...Not sure that teams trying to rebuild like Indiana and Milk are going to want a player of Z's caliber on the end of his career...

 

[tsteele316]

For those of you who follow NBA basketball a little closer than myself would you be willing to part with Z to do this deal or I guess a better way of putting it would Milwaukee or Indiana bite if he was included along with the other guys from Cleveland previously mentioned.

I doubt Indiana would want Z. The whole purpose of this deal is to dump salary. O'Neal's contract is the same length as Z's, so it wouldn't help them to take Z back in a trade. The same can be said for Milwaukee.

As for getting a SG, if the previously reported trade were to occur, cleveland would very well have the pieces needed to possibly trade up those two 1st's and maybe a future 2nd to get OJ Mayo, whom they have been rumored to be interested in.

pg: west/gibson
sg: mayo/pavlovich (if he isn't traded)
sf: lebron/pavlovich
pf: o'neal/wallace
C: Z/joe smith

this assumes that AV is the throw in that seals the Indiana trade.

If Danny Ferry pulled that off, there would be a bronze bust of his bald head on Ontario Ave.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

I doubt Indiana would want Z. The whole purpose of this deal is to dump salary. O'Neal's contract is the same length as Z's, so it wouldn't help them to take Z back in a trade. The same can be said for Milwaukee.

As for getting a SG, if the previously reported trade were to occur, cleveland would very well have the pieces needed to possibly trade up those two 1st's and maybe a future 2nd to get OJ Mayo, whom they have been rumored to be interested in.

pg: west/gibson
sg: mayo/pavlovich (if he isn't traded)
sf: lebron/pavlovich
pf: o'neal/wallace
C: Z/joe smith

this assumes that AV is the throw in that seals the Indiana trade.

If Danny Ferry pulled that off, there would be a bronze bust of his bald head on Ontario Ave.

Getting high enough to Get Mayo is wishful thinking IMHO...He is going to go top 7 probably...

I would trade up to late lottery and get Batum...He would be a great sidekick alongside LBJ, and might only take this years pick and a second next year, to go along with Sasha or something...

 

[LitlBuck]

there would be a bronze bust of his bald head on Ontario Ave.

 

[tsteele316]

Getting high enough to Get Mayo is wishful thinking IMHO...He is going to go top 7 probably...

I would trade up to late lottery and get Batum...He would be a great sidekick alongside LBJ, and might only take this years pick and a second next year, to go along with Sasha or something...

#11 and #19 and AV to Memphis at #5 isn't out of the realm of possibility. memphis likes randolph, jordan, and some other bigs, all of which can be had at #11. they're looking to overhaul the roster and will probably be dumping quite a few guys this offseason.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

#11 and #19 and AV to Memphis at #5 isn't out of the realm of possibility. memphis likes randolph, jordan, and some other bigs, all of which can be had at #11. they're looking to overhaul the roster and will probably be dumping quite a few guys this offseason.

I missed us getting the #11 pick...Why wouldn't Indiana do the trade with Memphis and give them O'Neal and the pick for #5 if they were looking to unload O'Neal and then they would get the #5 pick...

 

[tsteele316]

I missed us getting the #11 pick...Why wouldn't Indiana do the trade with Memphis and give them O'Neal and the pick for #5 if they were looking to unload O'Neal and then they would get the #5 pick...

because memphis doesn't want o'neal's contract. they want to blow up the roster and rebuild. sending them 2 1st's plus AV's expiring contract helps them do just that.

indiana has to throw in the #11 pick to have anyone take on o'neals bloated contract. they want out of it so badly that they are looking to simply take on expiring contracts to get rid of it.

on paper, this could be the proverbial perfect storm scenario for cleveland.

that being said, i doubt any of it happens.

 

[OH10]

that being said, i doubt any of it happens.

I'm not holding my breath on any major deal this offseason. There are plenty of teams that can offer more than the Cavs to move up in the draft or get guys like Redd, Oneil.

 

[tsteele316]

I'm not holding my breath on any major deal this offseason. There are plenty of teams that can offer more than the Cavs to move up in the draft or get guys like Redd, Oneil.

it depends. cleveland has the one commodity that is like gold in the nba, and that's expiring contracts. indiana wants to flat out dump salary and completely rebuild around granger. in order to do that, they need to get o'neal's $44 million off the books. that means they need someone willing to take that contract on, and give them roughly $20 million in expiring deals, or a big name player.

nobody is going to give up anything of value for jermain o'neal and his bloated contract, and only one team has a plethora of expiring deals to use in such a trade. that's why it works for cleveland.

 

[Brutus1]

I read today that Memphis may be looking to move down because of all the players they invited, they all declined and said they didn't want to play for the Grizz. That said, I doubt the Cavs can move up 6 spots, if they indeed got the #11.

JO sounds like a real possibility as it's been turning up that multiple sources are reportedly hearing about it. We'll see. If healthy, I'd trade the expirings and throw in next years#1 if it meant Oneal and the #11 could be had. It's a nice draft to have #11 and #19. It's been rumored that they'd include #11 just to get his contract off the books. I'm assuming that would be a Draft nite swap of first rounders.

I won't even mention Redd because I'll believe it when I see it.

If they could get to #11, would you take Batum or would there be better value. I like Batum and highly doubt he slips down to #19. He reminds me a little of the Iceman.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

If we get the 11th pick I gotta go with Batum...Especially if we get O'neal...

The only other guy that might be there at that pick would be Westbrook...

There are some big guys there, like Jordan, McGee, and Arthur but with O'neal you gotta go guard...

I would love to go with Batum and then maybe a project at the PF/C position or I would even go with Batum and then go with Ty Lawson, Augustine as the front court would really be heavy with talent...But need a guy in a couple years to take over for Z, Ben, and Smith...

A guy like Thompson, McGee, KK, or Speights would be ideal at 19...

 

[LitlBuck]

JO sounds like a real possibility as it's been turning up that multiple sources are reportedly hearing about it. We'll see. If healthy, I'd trade the expirings and throw in next years#1 if it meant Oneal and the #11 could be had. It's a nice draft to have #11 and #19. It's been rumored that they'd include #11 just to get his contract off the books. I'm assuming that would be a Draft nite swap of first rounders.

Let's just say this went down. Could we take care #11 and #19 and pick for Milwaukee and then trade those two players for Redd or is that impossible under NBA guidelines.

 

[buckeyemania11]

Let's just say this went down. Could we take care #11 and #19 and pick for Milwaukee and then trade those two players for Redd or is that impossible under NBA guidelines.

The Cavs have to use their first round pick this year, so thats not possible