NewYorkBuck
Do not read this title
Come on Thump. Markedly uncool.
Aka - is your bro working in Philly or did he go back to Ohio? My gf is looking at the NY/Philly job market when she gets out.
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Aka - is your bro working in Philly or did he go back to Ohio? My gf is looking at the NY/Philly job market when she gets out.
wolfamngstsheep
All-American
Assuming you have dough like everyone says you do I would advise against a Porche. Porches are for the 3 inches or smaller crowd. If you live in the city of NY and not upstate, obviously you will need something smaller and more practical then your standard SUV $40,000 "look at me" car.
I would take a BMW in a heart beat. Sophisticated, elegant, expensive, all while avoiding something Tom Cruise would drive.
I would take a BMW in a heart beat. Sophisticated, elegant, expensive, all while avoiding something Tom Cruise would drive.
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wolfamngstsheep said:Assuming you have dough like everyone says you do I would advise against a Porche. Porches are for the 3 inches or smaller crowd. If you live in the city of NY and not upstate, obviously you will need something smaller and more practical then your standard SUV $40,000 "look at me" car.
I would take a BMW in a heart beat. Sophisticated, elegant, expensive, all while avoiding something Tom Cruise would drive.
First... Its Porsche... with an S. (and it has two syllables)
Second... yeah... that M3's fast... no doubt... but its NOT a sports car... its a 3 Chassis with a racing engine... it is not the same thing. (I have a 3, and while its a very nice car).. Its not a 996... not even close.
Besides... as a BMW owner... I have to tell you that, while they are nice... and nicer than the Audi/Volkswagen stuff. (which I have also owned)... if you want elegance and power... and have the funds... (which in this case, are available)... the good lord has given us the glorious folks at Mercedes Benz and AMG.
But the point is... the guy wants a Porsche, always has wanted a Porsche, and if he can pull thigger an the $... is going to get a Porsche.
And... really... and I've never Driven a Porsche nearly as fast as the ones he's looking at... but... even in the early 90's 911's, or Boxster S... there is no substitute.
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lvbuckeye
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it's not a 996 TURBO, but the M3 compares quite well against the naturally aspirated 996's...AKAKBUCK said:
tsk, tsk... perhaps you should research the European or American Touring Car Championships if you doubt the worthiness of the "Sports Car" title of the M3... of course it isn't a 996, but 336 horsepower AND a backseat, for $25K less is nothing to sneeze at... and you, as a BMW owner, should know that the philosophy at BMW is to ALWAYS make the chassis faster than the engine... take your 3 out to a track and give it a whirl- i think you'll be surprised...
at any rate, i'd buy the M5 over the M3 if i had the means... every car mag writer i have ever read has said that if he could only drive ONE car for the rest of his life, it would be an M5... that's pretty significant...
can't argue with that... Mercedes has set the bar pretty high... BTW, the first Mercedes McLaren SLR AMG in the U.S. was recently delivered to Fletcher Jones Mercedes here in Vegas... dude payed $1 MILLION cash for the 617 Hp, 207 MPH rocket...AKAKBUCK said:
that's the bottom line! NYB! BUY IT!!! you'll never regret it! (well, after a few speeding tickets, you never know... :p )AKAKBUCK said:
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Which..of course... is why its called 'Touring Car Championships'... as opposed to.... well... you get the idea.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
damn, i forgot that the two are mutually exclusive 
http://www.dunloptyres.co.uk/motorsport/car/winnersArchive/
i guess the fact that PORSCHE won the GT (GRAN TOURISMO) class is lost on you...
edit: OR, you could check this site out: http://www.speedvisionwc.com/history4.html
WHOOPS! looks like in the Porsches were getting beat by HONDA!
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did somebody get owned?
http://www.dunloptyres.co.uk/motorsport/car/winnersArchive/
i guess the fact that PORSCHE won the GT (GRAN TOURISMO) class is lost on you...
edit: OR, you could check this site out: http://www.speedvisionwc.com/history4.html
WHOOPS! looks like in the Porsches were getting beat by HONDA!
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did somebody get owned?
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scott91575
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You have to be kidding me. I work for the damn company (DCX) and the BMW M series vehicles are more sports car than any AMG (can I have a manual please???...guess not). Even then most of these vehicles are not true sports cars except the total top of the line vehicles that cost over 100K. Porsche is by far the best handling vehicles of the bunch. The only negative for Porsche is you need to spend some serious dollars to get high performance engines.AKAKBUCK said:
As a car guy, and a guy that lives cars day in and day out you can't go wrong with a sweet Porsche for pure driving. Their designs are classic, but not always awe inspiring anymore. They also lack the interior class of some of the BMW's and Mercedes, but the the handling is a thing of beauty.
I also must say I love the M3. Of course you can get more performance out of a Vette at a cheaper price. The plus the M3 has is it's more practical if it's your only car. That is my personal choice if you have 40K to spend on a vehicle and it will be your only car.
If money is no object, a Ferrari is the way to go. Of course that will set you back 150-200K. Just short of that is Porsche if you only have 80-100K.
Alas, my beloved Viper no longer seems to compete. In the 90's it was the best pure sports car for the buck, and a true thill to drive. Yet for 80k you can get a more refined vehicle with similar performance. My boys in the SRT group are working on this... well not being more reifined, but more sick performance numbers for the dollar.
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wolfamngstsheep
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Lets also keep in mind if this guy lives in the city I'm assuming that he won't be going 150 mph on any of the NY streets.
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NewYorkBuck
Do not read this title
Three caveats here. The first is you can drive a Porsche every day. You cannot do that w a Ferrari. The second is short of the only seen in car magazines Enzo, there is no Ferrari that will outperform a new 911tt. Lastly, I dont care who you are, money is never no object.
Regarding the M3 discussion above, from all reports, the M3 is a great car. A girl who works for me used to own one until she got in a bad accident with it. For many, its the optimum mix of luxury, performance, and affordability. It is not, however, in the same class of performance as a 996. This is not a knock on the M3, its just the 996 was designed with a different goal and audience in mind - pure sports car fanatics. Even if the M3 could keep up in a straight line, which it can't, the 996 would blow it away in the turns and on the brakes.
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Buck Nasty
You'll have nothing and like it
That's the beauty of having the Porsche, or the M3 for that matter. You can drive it around every day with no problem, and then you can join your local Porsche Club of America, and about 4-5 times a season you can take your car to an event called Drivers Education. These events are held at local tracks all across the country. Mid-Ohio, Elkhart Lake, Mosport, VIR, Watkins Glen, all the classic road courses. For 200-300 bucks you can attend. They will put you in a class to teach you proper techniques for a morning, and then you take your car out on the track with an instructor. He or she drives it for a couple laps to show you the line, and the braking points, and then it is all you. You can go as fast as your balls, or car will allow. As you gain experience, you can go out without an instructor, and eventually you can join club races if you so desire. It is an experience anyone with a Porsche, BMW or any performance car should experience. I have been to many of them, and you see all kinds of cars, Porsches, Beemers, Viper's Vette's, Mini Cooper, WRX. Tons of people just run their street cars, while some have specific rides just for the track. After spending that kind of jack on a car it is the best 2-300 bucks you will ever spend. And once you do it you will keep doing it because you cannot beat the rush.wolfamngstsheep said:
Bottom line, if you have a car like that, and do not take advantage of what it was made for you are missing out. If you drop 50-100k on a car that can do 150 without breaking a sweat, you better damn well do it, and if you can do it legally on a racetrack all the better.
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