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Capital One Bowl: Michigan 41, Florida 35 (final)

Gatorubet;1046839; said:
Wow I never knew that the "two year record" was in vogue. I always thought it was what you did that year that mattered. THIS year we were not an "elite" team - and elite was the adjective of choice. Are we one of the tops teams of the last two years? Yeah, I guess we are with an MNC. But I did not see Reggie Nelson trying to cover Arrington this year.

Again, it was a good win by a very talented Michigan squad. By not agreeing with the term "elite" that LSU poster was not saying UF sucks or that the Big-10 victory can only happen against horrible SEC teams.
The way I see it, when this bowl game is committed to history, few will remember Florida's record, whether or not they had Reggie Nelson, where they finished in the SEC standings, or anything of the sort. They will see that Michigan beat Florida, which is always, always a quality win. Nobody will remember or care that when we lost to Ohio State, our two best players were hurt. Appalachian State will never care that this year's Michigan team doesn't quite measure up to the Michigan teams of years past that built the Michigan reputation - they now have a crown jewel to point to for all time. So I prefer that the same standard be applied to our wins, which is why I don't like it when SEC fans of teams other than Florida would denigrate the win by denigrating Florida. Certain teams, you're always proud to beat no matter who they are. Florida's one. I would argue that if maybe Mississippi State had had the season Florida had and ended up in Orlando instead, it wouldn't mean as much, because of what Florida has accomplished in the past (especially the recent past) and what Mississippi State has not.
 
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HailToMichigan;1046897; said:
The way I see it, when this bowl game is committed to history, few will remember Florida's record, whether or not they had Reggie Nelson, where they finished in the SEC standings, or anything of the sort. They will see that Michigan beat Florida, which is always, always a quality win. Nobody will remember or care that when we lost to Ohio State, our two best players were hurt. Appalachian State will never care that this year's Michigan team doesn't quite measure up to the Michigan teams of years past that built the Michigan reputation - they now have a crown jewel to point to for all time. So I prefer that the same standard be applied to our wins, which is why I don't like it when SEC fans of teams other than Florida would denigrate the win by denigrating Florida. Certain teams, you're always proud to beat no matter who they are. Florida's one. I would argue that if maybe Mississippi State had had the season Florida had and ended up in Orlando instead, it wouldn't mean as much, because of what Florida has accomplished in the past (especially the recent past) and what Mississippi State has not.

I agree with you that a team's history has a big effect on the way most people perceive games. And to the extent that today's games become a part of tomorrow's history; these things matter. For any other purpose they don't. Let me give you an example of each to show what I mean.

When Indiana beat OSU in the 'Shoe, it was very evident that the Buckeyes were just plain awful that year (bad enough to get the coach fired). But Indiana students were falling all over each other and crying tears of joy. They didn't care that OSU sucked that year. In order to validate their win, they might have wanted to believe that we didn't suck, but we did. But a long streak was broken that day whether we sucked or not. It's history, it matters.

Just 2 years earlier (give or take a year), BYU attempted to validate their fraudulent National Championship by playing Michigan in their bowl game. The coaches, players and university officials all made the argument that they had beaten mighty Michigan in their bowl game. What was interesting was that they all offered this argument in spite of the fact that few in the media were questioning their championship credentials, at least not in the interviews. These were all preemptive arguments, because the BYU coaches, players, officials, parents, fans, water-boys, cheerleaders and their dogs all knew that Michigan was 6-and-6 that year and was an absolute also-ran in the Big-Ten.

A team's history means something to a game if the game has historical significance. But a team's history cannot, by itself, give historical significance to a game. The end of a winning streak, the first win of one kind or another... these are things that give a game historical significance and make a team's place in history matter. But an opponent's place in history cannot validate a national championship, or even a bowl win. Only their actual quality should be able to do that.

BYU 1985 will remain the most fraudulent champion in the history of sports; with the possible exception of USSR Basketball, 1972.
 
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTCak6ekVYc]YouTube - michigan vs. florida tim tebow gets destroyed[/ame]

I will always, always remember this game. It was everything you could ask for. Even though Michigan won, Mike Hart was still an idiot. That is the best part.
 
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gud2b4lsu;1045901; said:
I think ESPN and a some fans in the North still consider UF a Top SEC Team. As for as SEC fans we do not. UF is a good team but not a juggarnaut of the past. UF does not strike fear in SEC teams like they used too. Im a Tiger fan and I feel LSU can beat UF every time they match up. So does Auburn, Georgia, Tenn.
It was still a good win for Mich. today. It was a fun game to watch. Geaux Tigers.

Hasn't UF won more NC than any other SEC School football team in the last 10-15 years including a year ago? Wasn't FL ranked #12, 3rd highest for an SEC School football team?
 
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There are two scenarios that we, as Buckeye and Big Ten fans can take from this game.

a.) Michigan played extremely inspired ball for Coach Carr and beat a better team in Florida.

or

b.) Michigan played extremely inspired ball for Coach Carr, beat Florida, and proved that the SEC is not as stellar as many people believe.
 
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Mr. Clutch;1047279; said:
There are two scenarios that we, as Buckeye and Big Ten fans can take from this game.

a.) Michigan played extremely inspired ball for Coach Carr and beat a better team in Florida.

or

b.) Michigan played extremely inspired ball for Coach Carr, beat Florida, and proved that the SEC is not as stellar as many people believe.

I go with B. Simply because we alreayd knew the SEc is not as good as ESPN wants you to believe.
 
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gud2b4lsu;1045901; said:
I think ESPN and a some fans in the North still consider UF a Top SEC Team. As for as SEC fans we do not. UF is a good team but not a juggarnaut of the past. UF does not strike fear in SEC teams like they used too. Im a Tiger fan and I feel LSU can beat UF every time they match up. So does Auburn, Georgia, Tenn.
It was still a good win for Mich. today. It was a fun game to watch. Geaux Tigers.

gud2b4lsu;1045937; said:
When Spurrier was their coach. Stop making fun of my cajun dialect. lol

Gatorubet;1046839; said:
Wow I never knew that the "two year record" was in vogue. I always thought it was what you did that year that mattered. THIS year we were not an "elite" team - and elite was the adjective of choice. Are we one of the tops teams of the last two years? Yeah, I guess we are with an MNC. But I did not see Reggie Nelson trying to cover Arrington this year.

Again, it was a good win by a very talented Michigan squad. By not agreeing with the term "elite" that LSU poster was not saying UF sucks or that the Big-10 victory can only happen against horrible SEC teams.
His point wasn't that Florida is not an elite team this year, as evidenced by the second post up there. Saying UF is not a top tier SEC team is retarded, unless your frame of reference is the past 48 hours or the past 500 years.
 
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Lockup;1047287; said:
I go with B. Simply because we alreayd knew the SEc is not as good as ESPN wants you to believe.

Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to imply. And now people are trying to negate that fact by using the argument that Georgia completely hammered Hawaii last night in the Sugar Bowl. My high school's football team could have beaten Hawaii...
 
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Gatorubet;1045685; said:
Have to give props to Michigan and the Big 10. A great win and an exciting game. While I hate to lose, I have to think that it is a nice way for Carr to go out, given everything he's been through.

Thanks man, much appreciated (rep coming when able). I think we definitely made for the best, most entertaining game of the bowl season thus far. Best of luck to the Gators in 2008. (And sorry about the tactless chomp display.)
 
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