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Can there really be Reverse Racism

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generaladm;1302637; said:
Well, the old saying is, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". There was institutionalized racism in the US for the vast majority of the history of this country, and there still is today (lesser). One can view AA as reverse discrimination, but without it, we would still be mired in a society that is based on racism and sexism. AA may have it's down points, but I'll take it over the alternative. Unfortunately, racism is a large part of this country's history. If you've never talked to a black person who lived in the era where they had no human rights, you should do so. I have known many people who have had their lives threatened only because of the color of their skin, and it is unconscionable. Also, if you have never been in a setting where you are the minority, you should do so, it gives you perspective. I won't defend AA, or reverse racism as good things, but when you compare it to history, it's a cakewalk.
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Japanese Americans seem to be doing ok
 
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generaladm;1302637; said:
Well, the old saying is, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". There was institutionalized racism in the US for the vast majority of the history of this country, and there still is today (lesser).
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yes, i agree, but its not the way you think.

One can view AA as reverse discrimination, but without it, we would still be mired in a society that is based on racism and sexism. AA may have it's down points, but I'll take it over the alternative. Unfortunately, racism is a large part of this country's history. If you've never talked to a black person who lived in the era where they had no human rights, you should do so. I have known many people who have had their lives threatened only because of the color of their skin, and it is unconscionable.
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You still seem to assume that it is only dark skin of any type that receives this kidn of treatment. [/quote]
Also, if you have never been in a setting where you are the minority, you should do so, it gives you perspective. I won't defend AA, or reverse racism as good things, but when you compare it to history, it's a cakewalk.
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I have been here. I speak from experience. In our bid, as a nation, to make reparation for the horrific business decision that allowed slavery, we have gone in the opposite direction. If I may invoke internet "Godwin's law" its much like the way we reference Nazi Germany. They now have multiple generattions that had no idea what was going on back then. Yet somehow, everone born in the country is expected to constasntly apologize for the actons of generaations past.

Slavery, the holocaust, its all horrible human action against humans, but at what point do the current generations of humans, having no part int he reprehensible actions of their ancestors, are able to just say, "I wasn't a part of that, I don'tr believfe in that, thats' history, lets move forward." and not get shit for being ...uncaring.
 
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DaytonBuck;1302663; said:
I find the whole concept offensive. I'm not sure but I doubt I'd be beneficiary of AA, Quota, etc. It takes treats me as someone of lessor ability who needs to coddled. I can sink or swim on my own merits.
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THahts the way it should be. REwards (jobs whatever) based on merit and skills not skin color or gendre. do a job right, do it well, get rewards, regardless of color or gender. thats the way life outhg to be. I cant pick up a box weighing 100 lbs and Im a woman? oh well, i cant pick up a box weighign 100 lbs. shouldnt matter if im a fuckign woman. I cant do the job. fuck AA.
 
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OCBuckWife;1302658; said:
I have been here. I speak from experience. In our bid, as a nation, to make reparation for the horrific business decision that allowed slavery, we have gone in the opposite direction. If I may invoke internet "Godwin's law" its much like the way we reference Nazi Germany. They now have multiple generattions that had no idea what was going on back then. Yet somehow, everone born in the country is expected to constasntly apologize for the actons of generaations past.

Slavery, the holocaust, its all horrible human action against humans, but at what point do the current generations of humans, having no part int he reprehensible actions of their ancestors, are able to just say, "I wasn't a part of that, I don'tr believfe in that, thats' history, lets move forward." and not get shit for being ...uncaring.
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There has been a neo-nazi backlash in Germany and other countries. We'll talk about it later.
OCBuckWife;1302665; said:
THahts the way it should be. REwards (jobs whatever) based on merit and skills not skin color or gendre. do a job right, do it well, get rewards, regardless of color or gender. thats the way life outhg to be. I cant pick up a box weighing 100 lbs and Im a woman? oh well, i cant pick up a box weighign 100 lbs. shouldnt matter if im a fuckign woman. I cant do the job. fuck AA.
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I'm sorry, but, the fact is, we are the first generation where you (woman) would be able to be anything but a teacher, receptionist, or nurse, and blacks would achieve an upper position (lawyer, doctor, or any proffesional) outside of the black community. To be contnued.
 
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The answer is.....

The answer to this is yes! As much as we would like to believe we have taken steps towards enlightenment, there are some who think in barbaric terms on both sides. I for one, find the whole concept disgusting. To think that a person may be lesser than because of how they were born is demeaning to all. However, it is apparent that some people think and behave exactly that way. All groups can and have been racist, sexist and elitist.

Its time for all of this nonsense to end.
 
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My first experience with the concept that only the "group in power" can be racist was at TOSU. I was a new RA in Lincoln Tower. All of the staff got together prior to the students coming in for the year and had a workshop on diversity.

It was stated by the RH assistant director (African Amreican Studies grad student) that black people could be prejudiced, but not racist as that required power. Being young white and stupid, I pointed out that he was black and my boss. He proceeded to yell at me and imply that I was a racist for saying that... solidifying my opinion that whites aren't the only potential racists. I was pissed. I pointed out that his boss was also black, as was his boss' boss and her boss! In fact, the entire residence hall reporting structure all the way to the very top was black and in fact did have significant power over me.

I wound up having to meet the guy at the top of that food-chain over this issue. I think he was worried he had some white supremist on his hands. He and I got along great and I think he understood my point (much older and wiser than the AD I had the issue with in the first place).

The real point I was wanting to bring up at this workshop (and never did due to having my opinion attacked on this first point) was that in spite of the entire reporting structure being black, every maintenance worker in the building was white, every cleaning person was Hispanic, and the majority of the food-service folks were black. I've always found that interesting.

Anyway, apologies to any who prefer the term African-Americans. I don't mean any insult using "black", but it was the primary term used at the time and my friends from Africa hate the term A-A so I'm not in the habit of using it... but that's probably for another post.
 
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Gatorubet;1302594; said:
Individually, yes, but harder on a group level. You have to have real power to really discriminate. Ten brothas flipping you the bird in the hood does not compare with ten bankers deciding what neighborhoods to lend money to.
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You're absolutely right... the 10 guys flipping you off have no ability to save the taxpayers 750 billion dollars.:biggrin:
 
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I don't find AA to be reverse racism. I find it to be a good--at one time absolutely necessary--policy to move this country along the path to fulfilling its ideals. That being said, like any other public policy, it can be abused and distorted.

Personally, I think that it shouldn't strictly be racial but should also have a strong socio-economic component, which is a policy position that is anethma to most black politicians. While I support it on the university level, I also don't think that it should carry beyond the undergraduate level--again anethma to most black politicians.

All that being said, I don't want my opinions to be considered just because I'm a liberal with some criticisms of AA. I want my opinions to be considered because I'm a white man. [joke stolen from Sarah Silverman]
 
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DaytonBuck;1302568; said:
I had a class that said only the dominant race could be racist. If a minority race was racist it was prejudice, discrimination or something.
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I believe that the argument was that in order to be racism there had to also be the institutional capacity to support it, the idea being that you could be prejudiced against someone or some group of individuals, but if you couldn't use that to deny someone something, a job, benefits, entre, promotions, housing, it was not racism.
 
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