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Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

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Nutriaitch;1827814; said:
Dillon Baxter rode on a golf cart.

Dude is an agent, but also a guy who admittedly gives plenty of other USC students rides on the same golf cart.
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Just as an aside, the NFLPA just decertified USC golf cart driver/student/agent Teague Egan as an agent.
 
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Steve19;1828074; said:
Let's just remember that Mike Slive is an anagram for Mike's Evil.
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Just because it is SEC versus Big Ten in a BCS Bowl, if Big Ten Football was an anagram for Fat Blob Legit No, I would not tell the visiting Hawg fans that out of respect for my dear friends here.....
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BuckeyeBill;1828168; said:
I know it's already been discussed, but I can't help but think that the NCAA has bigger fish to fry in this whole mess. Between the rumored FBI / IRS investigations, the tigerdroppings posting, Terry Bowden's previous revelations, etc, I'm wondering if they're viewing the whole Cam Newton thing as a minor distraction at this point. And if such a major case is really being built against Auburn, I'm not sure it's worth revealing their hand at this point. I just have a hard time believing that no action has been taken given what we already know (the Dad's acknowledgment) without there being more to this story. I have to believe something much bigger is afoot.
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I think the whole situation becomes much more clear, and less frustrating, if you just think of the NCAA as any other sanctioning body that is primarily concerned with promoting it's brand. Like say the WBC,WBA or any of the other boxing governing bodies.

Yes they have a rule book and a commissioner and all that but those things exist to give a facade of respectability to what is really just a promotional entity.
 
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Gatorubet;1828173; said:
Just because it is SEC versus Big Ten in a BCS Bowl, if Big Ten Football was an anagram for Fat Blob Legit No, I would not tell the visiting Hawg fans that out of respect for my dear friends here.....
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Oh you better hide after that comment!! :pissed:

Hiding behind a couch may not be wise though, given our reputation. I can vouch that they are quite flammable...

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Jaxbuck;1828175; said:
I think the whole situation becomes much more clear, and less frustrating, if you just think of the NCAA as any other sanctioning body that is primarily concerned with promoting it's brand. Like say the WBC,WBA or any of the other boxing governing bodies.

Yes they have a rule book and a commissioner and all that but those things exist to give a facade of respectability to what is really just a promotional entity.
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I think if you look at the Jim O'Brien analogy it becomes clearer. No matter what you think the facts are, acting too soon can create legal issues that can have monetary repercussions if you fail to follow the investigative process by the letter - not the "spirit" - of the law. And that is when the coach admits something, not when we are speculating about he said someone said Cam said. When you run a large organization you do not willingly subject it to the possibility of a huge lawsuit unless you have to. And that includes any organization, not just the WBC and WBA.

And like I admit, there is a huge self serving interest in the BCS $$$$ and a fifth straight BCSNC. Legitimate and self serving interests can co-exist, and yes, the latter can drive the former in the decision making process. All I'm saying is that it is not as simplistic as "Evil Slive wants Auburn to Get Title for SEC."
 
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Gatorubet;1828189; said:
I think if you look at the Jim O'Brien analogy it becomes clearer. No matter what you think the facts are, acting too soon can create legal issues that can have monetary repercussions if you fail to follow the investigative process by the letter - not the "spirit" - of the law. And that is when the coach admits something, not when we are speculating about he said someone said Cam said.
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Glad you brought up O'Brien because I have been wondering how long an SEC school would have suspended him for? What 9-10 games?

I figure they threw the book at Pearl for cheating and then lying about it to the NCAA and that was 8 games. O'Brien was a little worse so 9-10 games seems about right. I mean after all, he did come clean so there would be no reason to fire him or anything. He was a winning coach after all.
 
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Gatorubet;1828032; said:
:lol: Oh I saw what you were saying. Just making my point again about the bylaw you quoted first. And certainly by "lawyer brain" I do not mean to indicate it's more...brainy:tongue2: But you know that...:p I meant that to mean how when I (we) see a reg or statute or code we can't help but start to parse and compare and interpret and poke it around some....rather than take it at face value. Reason 513 to hate us :lol:

Yeah I got that. Spirit. Spirit. Spirit. Spirit equals bull[censored] when it comes to due process. I mean, I'm taking you to jail because you passed the Breathalyzer but you violated the "Spirit" of DUI. :slappy: I mean, you can say "I have the power to just make up [censored]", but it is a very, very dangerous
strategy, from a legal standpoint, to ruin Auburn and Cam's shot at the BCS when the actual language of the bylaws specifically addressing the issue is seemingly against a ban unless different facts are proven.

I view that "spirit" language as the functional legal equivalent of the "not responsible for injury" phrase printed on your lift ticket. If your ski lift chair falls off half way up that language will be worth as much to the ski resort as having Cincinnati as a pick in the 2010 BCSCG pool. :lol:


As opposed to the Big-10, which would have issued horse hair shirts to the entire conference and voluntarily withdrawn from all BCS games. :wink2:
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FYI, I've said that Slive "has the power to" declare Cam ineligible, and that he could do so - I don't believe I've said that he should. I'm aware that his job is to look out for the interests of the SEC.

I realize that the NCAA is not a court of law subject to due process (and indicated that by referencing Goodell's actions), but I also realize that if Newton had been suspended that Auburn most likely would have brought legal action against the SEC and/or the NCAA. I indicated that back in my original posts of November 18th, and my post yesterday.
 
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BB73 said:
FYI, I've said that Slive "has the power to" declare Cam ineligible, and that he could do so - I don't believe I've said that he should. I'm aware that his job is to look out for the interests of the SEC.

I realize that the NCAA is not a court of law subject to due process (and indicated that by referencing Goodell's actions), but I also realize that if Newton had been suspended that Auburn most likely would have brought legal action against the SEC and/or the NCAA. I indicated that back in my original posts of November 18th, and my post yesterday.
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but what about auburn as a state school? etc.

it appears they (auburn, sec, ncaa) have chosen to error on the side of caution, figuring best case nothing comes of all of this, worst case its vacated a la bush/usc
 
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As a Hog fan, it was sickening to have to pull for Auburn for us to make it to the Sugar. Had they not cheated, we could very well be playing for the NC. I hope they have their wins vacated and $cam newton has his heisman stripped from him if he gets it. As many times as Auburn has been caught cheating, they should get the death penalty ala SMU.
 
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Gatorubet;1828035; said:
You're that guy???? Yeah, I got the memo to piss you off too :lol:
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That's the thing. Most people around here in Ft Laud - Boca (where I have been spending the past 4 days or so) don't know that I didn't go to an SEC school. However EVERYONE is pulling for Auburn.

I can't think of a worse program than Auburn right now and the way the SEC fans are rallying around the program is very telling of SEC morals.

Unfortunately Auburn will win and rednecks from Mississippi to South Carolina will be cheering S E C! S E C!

Lets just boot the SEC (save Vandy, UGA and UF) to ORD's NFL D-league so the conference can continue to pay and oversign at will. The rest of the cfb world can actually enjoy somewhat of a clean championship.
 
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