Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

[jwinslow]

In all seriousness, I simply do not see how anyone can come to that conclusion.

The newton family did exactly that and not only got away with it, but got away with it after harrowing details began to leak out. The NCAA has more than enough info to punish Auburn, but they've reverted back to their old selves.

True, it might open the floodgates of stupid people making offers nobody will accept, then I might agree. All this will do is make compliance people even more heeby-jeebyish about anyone contacting their program about extra benefits, and make them damn sure that nothing exists that might make the NCAA view an action as an "agreement".

Compliance people are always heeby-jeebyish. That has little effect on what the boosters, coaches and handlers do.

Auburn and Cam will likely still get plunger raped. The fact that is will not happen this week does not open any floodgate.

It absolutely opens the floodgate that (for the past year) was starting to inch close for the first time in decades, accountability & proactive investigations by the NCAA.

The floodgate was opened back full steam to the old standards:

Unless someone else proves you are guilty, you are fine.

Michigan got two clean bills of health from the NCAA before the Feds took down them down by coincidence.

USC's investigation was going absolutely nowhere until Yahoo & civil suits forced the NCAA's hand.

Peterson was linked to a scandal at Big Red Motors. Years later, Bomar & his center were suspended for their illegal benefits, meanwhile half of the team was employed there. No substantial penalties for the football program came from that, they came down on the far more egregious illegal text messages by Sampson

 

[Dryden]

UBet, is 'heeby-jeeby' a legal term? :p

 

[IronBuckI]

By the time they quit saying "at this time" all the offending parties will be in the NFL or prison and the NCAA will be punishing people at Auburn who had exactly dick to do with Papa Newtons barn raising.

Dick to do with papa newton, but you can bet your avatar's sweet ass that the people at Auburn that do get punished will deserve it for one reason or another.

 

[LightningRod]

Sports Pickle photos of Cecil's church signs.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

The NCAA will look into this more closely once the checks from the networks clear.

Meanwhile it is starting to rain. Where did I leave my penumbrala?

Let me know if you find it. I'm terribly bored with just my crosswordbrala.

EDIT - my goodness...I am quite the handsome woman, aren't I?

 

[Saw31]

How you doin'?

 

[jlb1705]

That didn't take long.

Coach Cal says: If you're going let Cam play...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../kentucky.enes.kanter.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

The article doesn't actually make any connection to the Cam Newton ruling, but the timing of this "new information" on Enes Kanter seems like more than just a coincidence to me.

 

[jlb1705]

Hello, I'm Mark Emmert, President of the NCAA. Tearing a hole into another dimension is a tragedy that should have never happened, and as president, I'd like to say WE'RE SORRY.

 

[Gatorubet]

The newton family did exactly that and not only got away with it, but got away with it after harrowing details began to leak out.

Got away with it????? With what, not getting [censored] hammered before the SECCG or maybe the BCSSG? Yeah, I can see that. Getting away with pay for sign? Too soon to tell......at this time :p

The NCAA has more than enough info to punish Auburn, but they've reverted back to their old selves.

Please list/link the exact "info" that exists - that the NCAA has more than enough of - to punish auburn. thnxkbi (Tigerdroppings posts do not count)

Compliance people are always heeby-jeebyish. That has little effect on what the boosters, coaches and handlers do.
It absolutely opens the floodgate that (for the past year) was starting to inch close for the first time in decades, accountability & proactive investigations by the NCAA.

How? How were floodgates opened? When were people sanctioned in a one month window previously, but now are let off? When was this magical time of efficient NCAA investigatory excellence? Bush? They rode into town on a pack of Galapagos tortoises for that one, and it took the damn civil suit info to get a head of steam on it, given the dearth of subpoena or other power to compel testimony.

The floodgate was opened back full steam to the old standards:Unless someone else proves you are guilty, you are fine.

I hate to break it to you, but that ole' "someone proves you guilty" thing has been a nagging impediment to convictions for years, and not just the good 'ole NCAA Committee on Infractions.

Michigan got two clean bills of health from the NCAA before the Feds took down them down by coincidence.

I got nothin' here....don't follow that program.

USC's investigation was going absolutely nowhere until Yahoo & civil suits forced the NCAA's hand.

The NCAA's investigations always go absolutely nowhere unless there is a suit or people agree to talk. Nothing has changed about the inability of the NCAA to compel testimony or production of documents via subpoena.

Peterson was linked to a scandal at Big Red Motors. Years later, Bomar & his center were suspended for their illegal benefits, meanwhile half of the team was employed there. No substantial penalties for the football program came from that, they came down on the far more egregious illegal text messages by Sampson

And this is a floodgate-ish for or against??? If you are saying the NCAA's investigative prowess has not historically made the denizens of Scotland Yard envious, then we agree.

 

[Deety]

I got nothin' here....don't follow that program.

That's wise. You especially wouldn't want to follow it downwind.

 

[Nutriaitch]

Hell, they and the NFLPA wouldn't even take the simple step of assuming responsibility for the agent debacle. It's time for universities to stand up to them.

you were saying?

Gary Wichard suspended 9 months

 

[Gatorubet]

That's wise. You especially wouldn't want to follow it downwind.

I pekes ats Mgoblue blogz....I feelz durty

 

[jwinslow]

Gator, the newton stuff is a year old. they have had more than enough time to uncover how shady this thing is.

I agree the ncaa has previously moved incredibly slow, due to being an anemic and corrupt facade.

But it is much less severe to drag out an investigation and be a victim to your limited legal power in uncovering details.

It is a much more severe hit to your credibility, and floodgate, to publically announce that it is ok to try to cheat eith the school you didnt choose, as long as there is no public evidence of what you did with them or the school you signed with instead.

The increase also comes as a stark contrast to the way they have been behaving in the past year. Very unlike themselves with their proactive investigations and swift punishments. Players caught doing shady things were declared ineligible and the investigations were needed to reinstate them or keep it going.

 

[Gatorubet]

Gator, the newton stuff is a year old. they have had more than enough time to uncover how shady this thing is.

I agree the ncaa has previously moved incredibly slow, due to being an anemic and corrupt facade.

But it is much less severe to drag out an investigation and be a victim to your limited legal power in uncovering details.

It is a much more severe hit to your credibility, and floodgate, to publically announce that it is ok to try to cheat eith the school you didnt choose, as long as there is no public evidence of what you did with them or the school you signed with instead.

The increase also comes as a stark contrast to the way they have been behaving in the past year. Very unlike themselves with their proactive investigations and swift punishments. Players caught doing shady things were declared ineligible and the investigations were needed to reinstate them or keep it going.

But Josh, I have posted the rule in question, and it is written in a way that would make any suspension of Cam or Auburn improper if it is based upon Cecil soliciting Miss State. I mean, I grant you it is not the best written rule, and that it seemingly lets them go on to the SEC/BCS CGs without punishment for solicitation of Miss state, but darn it, when you have statutes or codes or rules that give you the authority to act, you have to follow them.....or change them to give you a better shot next time.

If the NCAA has rules, poorly drafted rules, and those rules do not allow you to suspend Cam at Auburn for Cecil and Miss State hi-jinks, then you cannot suspend Cam at Auburn. I mean, I guess you can, but then you have to pay Cam his seven figure damage suit for suspending him in violation of your own rules. I get that people are mad, but I DO NOT see how you can expect them to suspend him in any way that inconsistant with the existing rules as written.

When I posted my interpretation of that rule I had not seen the e-mail reply from the NCAA investigator explaining why they found Cam eligible at this time. But it very much confirmed - to me - why that happened. It happened because the rules as written do not mandate a suspension unless benefits or an agreement for benefits was made. Not an "offer", but an agreement. Show me the Auburn Cam agreement ( or aubie Cecil agreement) and I will change my mind. But it cannot be how it "looks" or speculation as to what happened.

 

[jwinslow]

At what point does intent, compliance and testimony come into play?

Do they have to be given official recordings of the benefits, or are the many testimonies in conjunction with solicitation of benefits enough to at least suspend him for a game?

Cecil has changed his stance at least once already about what happened, I have a hard time believing he has been forthright and fostering compliance with a powerless ncaa.

They aren't investigating a good ole boys club where no one will tattle without a warrant. This is a divided state of bama fans and a third party implicating him.

At some point they have to have a backbone and some standards.