Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

[jimotis4heisman]

Show me where Cam has lied. Show me where Dez' dad lying got him ineligible. My point is that Cecil can lie about anything but that which is a violation of the NCAA rules. It is likely that lying to the NCAA will get you in trouble. That is the investigating authority. I can lie to you or CNN all I want. If I lie to the FBI in an investigation I go to jail. "Lying" is not important. What you are lying about, or more importantly, who you are lying to is what matters.



1) What NCAA rule(s) has Cam violated?
2) Who has Cam lied to?
3) Your proof that there was a "lie" by Cam is what again?



It does not take much to grab a pitchfork and join the rest of the crowd in attacking the Montgolfier brothers' balloon. All it takes, really, is just a misunderstanding about what the Hell is really going on and a bunch of pent up emotion. This stuff is really very basic and formal. You can only act according to the rules that govern your organization. You cannot use supposition and inference to replace actual facts. Everybody keeps doing it. I don't get why.

yeah, defend the former gator

joking aside, these things tend to shake out. inferring, conjecture, etc dont seem to do much with the process. all that said, where there is smoke, well there might be fire. where there is a visible raging forest fire, well yorue screwed... who knows, these things tend to sort themselves out while showing what a joke the ncaa is...

 

[jwinslow]

Show me where Cam has lied. Show me where Dez' dad lying got him ineligible. My point is that Cecil can lie about anything but that which is a violation of the NCAA rules.

The lying is about potential violations in both cases. When asked about his sons involvement in illegal activities, he flat out lied. The fact that his new version of what happened has a loophole to avoid a violation doesn't change the deception and disrespect about what they did.

You keep separating the player and the dad, when the money absolutely links the two, as the dad is the bank account for the player, not to mention his main influence in life.

My understanding was that the NCAA said 'we can't punish you for trying but not succeeding to cheat'...

..not that 'well you're dad lied about it but you didn't so that's cool'

It is likely that lying to the NCAA will get you in trouble.

Is it? Because you seem to be arguing otherwise.

That is the investigating authority. I can lie to you or CNN all I want. If I lie to the FBI in an investigation I go to jail. "Lying" is not important. What you are lying about, or more importantly, who you are lying to is what matters.

Those bodies hold people accountable during their investigations. The NCAA does not have that reputation. Why tell the truth to an organization that probably won't come down hard if you lie?

It does not take much to grab a pitchfork and join the rest of the crowd in attacking the Montgolfier brothers' balloon.

Particularly when they have a long and rich tradition of light or zero punishments in major cases like these.

You can only act according to the rules that govern your organization.

Is there a rule saying Dez Bryant cannot play college football for an entire year if he lies to the NCAA?

 

[Gatorubet]

The lying is about potential violations in both cases. When asked about his sons involvement in illegal activities, he flat out lied. The fact that his new version of what happened has a loophole to avoid a violation doesn't change the deception and disrespect about what they did.

Lied.To. Whom? He can lie to the press until his gums bleed. Big f-ing whoop. Can he lie to the NCAA? Prolly not. I haven't seen the rules, but I know that lying to the NCAA about lots of other stuff will get you in deep [censored]. When did Cecil talk to the NCAA and lie to them? I missed that.

You keep separating the player and the dad, when the money absolutely links the two, as the dad is the bank account for the player, not to mention his main influence in life.

Now I'm convinced that you are deliberately trying to [censored] me off.

WHAT money links the two? They found that Cam got money? They found that Cecil got money? They linked Auburn with Cam getting money???? Link please. And by "link" I do not want a friggin' story about a beat up church unless you are telling me the investigation has been concluded and the NCAA has established from banking records that Cecil got money from Auburn. If so, link? If not, then STFU about "the money absolutely links the two". Well, not really STFU up, but, yaknow :p

Proof. Not Josh thinks thus and such.

My understanding was that the NCAA said 'we can't punish you for trying but not succeeding to cheat'...

I see your problem...it's your understanding.

Is there a rule saying Dez Bryant cannot play college football for an entire year if he lies to the NCAA?

Dunno. You are the one who brought up the fact that the NCAA can do it. I assumed you would have looked up why that is so.

 

[Mike80]

If Cam Newton wasn't about to play in the National Title game, Auburn or the SEC would have sat his ass down 4 weeks ago at minimum.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Lied.To. Whom? He can lie to the press until his gums bleed. Big f-ing whoop. Can he lie to the NCAA? Prolly not. I haven't seen the rules, but I know that lying to the NCAA about lots of other stuff will get you in deep [censored]. When did Cecil talk to the NCAA and lie to them? I missed that.


Now I'm convinced that you are deliberately trying to [censored] me off.

WHAT money links the two? They found that Cam got money? They found that Cecil got money? They linked Auburn with Cam getting money???? Link please. And by "link" I do not want a friggin' story about a beat up church unless you are telling me the investigation has been concluded and the NCAA has established from banking records that Cecil got money from Auburn. If so, link? If not, then STFU about "the money absolutely links the two". Well, not really STFU up, but, yaknow :p

Proof. Not Josh thinks thus and such.



I see your problem...it's your understanding.



Dunno. You are the one who brought up the fact that the NCAA can do it. I assumed you would have looked up why that is so.

so which team are you helping cheat?

 

[Deety]

If Cam Newton wasn't about to play in the National Title game, Auburn or the SEC would have sat his ass down 4 weeks ago at minimum.

Maybe, but Cam Newton wound up with no shot at the NC and no chance of the Heisman, there's always the chance that it's the NCAA that gets its rear called into court to defend its decision and the impact on his future NFL earnings. Waiting until the case is airtight means a gigantic mess for college football, but my guess would be that it is an attempt to protect the NCAA itself from that liability at least. They are probably also concerned about the whole question of the NCAA's authority coming into question, too. Which it is anyway. Looks like what we have here is the beginning of a serial drama.

 

[Gatorubet]

Is there a rule saying Dez Bryant cannot play college football for an entire year if he lies to the NCAA?

Yeah. It says that Dez violated NCAA Bylaw 10.1 d and that his lie was an ethical violation.....note that it applies to "Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer)"

Dez's dad could lie like Jeffcat to a MySpace Tweener and get away with it without violating the same rule that Dez would.

NCAA By-law 10.1
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited to, the following: (Revised: 1/10/90, 1/9/96, 2/22/01)
(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual's institution;
(b) Knowing involvement in arranging for fraudulent academic credit or false transcripts for a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete;
(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement or extra benefit or improper financial aid; (Revised: 1/9/96)
(d) Knowingly furnishing the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning the individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;

 

[brutus2002]

Yeah. It says that Dez violated NCAA Bylaw 10.1 d and that his lie was an ethical violation.....note that it applies to "Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer)"

Dez's dad could lie like Jeffcat to a MySpace Tweener and get away with it without violating the same rule that Dez would.

Honestly...FUCK THE SEC AND THE NCAA!!!!!

Keep your National Championships in sports because nobody respects the conference as a whole for their ETHICS OR THEIR ACADEMICS. Definately topped they way they have been cheating in the past...how many times is this conference gonna get caught fucking cheating.

At media days last year it was an embarrassment...half the Alabama football team couldn't put two sentences together...no way half that team passed the ACT on their own...NO WAY IN HELL!!! Cody Burns...from Auburn...I heard an interview of his 2 years ago and was confused at what the hell the kid was saying...My 4 years old couldn't understaND HIM!!!

Michigan gets nailed by the NCAA for practicing too much and this "precher" (GMAFB!!!) IS PIMPING HIS SON LIKE A 2 DOLLAR WHORE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND (MIGHT AS WELL HAD A MEGPHONE ON TOP OF HIS CAR RIDING THROUGH VARIOUS SEC CAMPUSES) FOR HIS SONS SERVICES...

sugarcoat it...twist is...dress it up in a tuxedo but a turd is still a fucking turd...take that stupid shit and eat it.

Joakim Noah...no theirs a scholar athlete!!!

SEC=SCAMMING EQUALS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

 

[Steve19]

And now, SEC Kentucky asks the NCAA to relook at the Turkish professional Enes Kanter, who apparently "didn't know" he was violating amateurism rules.

Note folks, the NCAA has not agreed to just an appeal, but a resubmission of his case. (link) Do we need a new thread on SEC multisport professionalism?

Slippery slope indeed.

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[Saw31]

So while you will point out that you did not agree to buy drugs from me, BKB will point out that there is no proof that I even sent him a PM about drugs, let alone sold him drugs. He claims that he went to New Orleans for the food.

You think there's no proof BKB is on drugs? Just look at him man!

 

[LightningRod]

Washington Post writer Sally Jenkins weighs in on the mess.

NCAA President Mark Emmert says he realizes that "many people are outraged at the notion that a parent or anyone else could 'shop around' a student-athlete and there would possibly not be repercussions on the student-athlete's eligibility." But the NCAA has made its determination about cases like mine, in words that ring with moral clarity: "If a student-athlete does not receive tangible benefits, that is a different situation from a student-athlete or family member who receives cash, housing or other benefits or knowingly competes and is compensated as a professional athlete."

Now, that should be perfectly clear to one and all.

If it's your father who demands the cash to compete, that's not a violation, because he's not a competitor. He's just the cash guy. You're the competitor. You do the competing, and he gets the cash. See? Everybody's innocent! For instance, when Cam Newton's father asks for $180,000 from Mississippi State for his son's services, it's only an intangible benefit.

Granted, NCAA bylaw 12.3.3 states that "any individual, agency or organization that represents a prospective student-athlete for compensation in placing the prospect in a collegiate institution . . . shall be considered an agent or organization marketing the individual's athletics ability or reputation." And the rules say that being shopped by an agent should make you ineligible.

Got that? But apparently it doesn't really mean what it says, as long as you plead personal ignorance.

The people close to you can do whatever they want; your mother, brothers, sisters, common-law spouses, step-children, long-lost red-headed Scottish nephews, and fourth-cousin black-market orphan sellers, can explore a price tag on your behalf.

With its firm handling of cases such as mine and Cam Newton's, the NCAA has set a bold precedent. You can sleep tonight knowing that our amateur standards are unassailable, and the guardianship of our young is in the safe hands of the NCAA, an organization that rakes off $710 million in annual revenue in marketing and deals with television networks, all of which are heavily invested in the appearance that the competitors are blameless virgins, like me and Cam Newton. Newton, the pride of the Bowl Championship Series and the quarterback of its top-ranked team, had no idea what his father was up to. He just went to the schools his dad told him to - all three of them.

cont'd

 

[t_BuckeyeScott]

I think some are getting their panties in a wad about nothing. Check out the link to tiger droppings earlier. The reinstatement committee didn't rule on anything other than what Auburn submitted. The only thing Auburn submitted was that Cecil asked for money without Cam's knowledge from Mississippi State. That is the only thing the Reinstatement committee ruled on. Their ruling is blind to all the other evidence being investigated by another committee or area of the NCAA. It says in the ruling that the ruling is based upon evidence agreed upon by Auburn. Do you really think Auburn is going to admit to all this while playing Newton. This is far from over. Yes this sucks for TCU, but what are you going to do?

 

[Gatorubet]

Honestly...[censored] THE SEC AND THE NCAA!!!!!

Keep your National Championships in sports because nobody respects the conference as a whole for their ETHICS OR THEIR ACADEMICS. Definately topped they way they have been cheating in the past...how many times is this conference gonna get caught [censored]ing cheating.

At media days last year it was an embarrassment...half the Alabama football team couldn't put two sentences together...no way half that team passed the ACT on their own...NO WAY IN HELL!!! Cody Burns...from Auburn...I heard an interview of his 2 years ago and was confused at what the hell the kid was saying...My 4 years old couldn't understaND HIM!!!

Michigan gets nailed by the NCAA for practicing too much and this "precher" (GMAFB!!!) IS PIMPING HIS SON LIKE A 2 DOLLAR WHORE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND (MIGHT AS WELL HAD A MEGPHONE ON TOP OF HIS CAR RIDING THROUGH VARIOUS SEC CAMPUSES) FOR HIS SONS SERVICES...

sugarcoat it...twist is...dress it up in a tuxedo but a turd is still a [censored]ing turd...take that stupid [censored] and eat it.

Joakim Noah...no theirs a scholar athlete!!!

SEC=SCAMMING EQUALS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

I hope you feel better real soon.

 

[sandgk]

... but what are you going to do?

Give the NCAA real investigative powers.

 

[brutus2002]

I hope you feel better real soon.

I live in Alabama buddy...I feel better...you know I'm right...fucking embarrassment to college athletics...student athlete(yeah right)