Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

[ORD_Buckeye]

The post on tigerdroppings seems plausible. Auburn gets a virtual death penalty that, while keeping them on the field, will all but kill the program for at least a decade. The Board and admins are all summarily dismissed to keep the place accredited and open while the state and feds control the new board and academic deans take over the admin.

The bigger question is what to do with the SEC as a whole. I'd like to think the NCAA and other powers would come together and threaten to revoke their AQ status or even kick them out of the BCS system altogether. Sadly, that's not going to happen. Neither the overall culture of the South, nor the specific individual political legislatures have zero interest in changing and I don't see the one school that has both the power and possible desire to do something about it (Florida) stepping up and showing some public leadership.

Sadly in ten years, we will all go through this again with an LSU or Tennessee or Ole Miss.

 

[Dryden]

How do you make an example of Auburn if the SEC league office knew about all this and let it go on? (Assuming that's the case obviously).

Given the overall body of work for the SEC in terms of NCAA trouble I'd say if there are institutions making an effort to do the right thing they need to be giving some pretty strong pushback to Slive and company regarding where the league stands on the entire issue of NCAA compliance. Not the lip service public answer but the real behind closed doors deal.

This is the big problem I have with this mess. I made the point before, I just cannot believe Auburn is throwing around sacks of benjamins in the sums reported unless they're outbidding somebody else.

You don't shop your son to Mississippi St and ask for money unless you already have a reason to believe money will be provided, and if you're Auburn you don't pay $180K for a QB if $18K would have been enough to seal the deal. Think about it, the Newton's can say "It won't be free this time," but that alone doesn't justify the leap from 'not free' to 'my asking price starts at $75-large per season.'

This isn't Lowder's first rodeo, and he's not going to be bent over at the bargaining table by a fucking preacher. The Newton's would've accepted a Hyundai if there were no other bidders. They certainly wouldn't have walked away from anything and willfully accepted nothing just to make a point.

If Auburn has been throwing around millions on all their players for three decades or more while everybody else in the conference has been playing above board, and haven't won jack shit to show for it, they're dumber than we all already think they are.

I can't wait to see the finger pointing. If Auburn gets nuked, they'll take the rest of the conference down with them in the mud slinging.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Sadly in ten years, we will all go through this again with an LSU or Tennessee or Ole Miss.

10 years? Tennessee has at least 3 sports under investigation as we speak. They caught the mens BBall coach lying to NCAA investigators and are still looking into baseball and football iirc.

Again, no one is perfect and if you want pure student athletes follow the Ivy league but much like a drunk who is funny up until that one drink turns him ugly, the SEC seems to have crossed the line of amusing little rule benders into old school SouthWest Conference stuff.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

 

[Oh8ch]

Here is my cynic's case for why the NCAA might slow roll anything related to Auburn right now.

As it sits we are headed for an Oregon vs Auburn NC game. Great match-up that will generate lots of revenue. And this would follow the most hyped Iron Bowl in recent memory (first time since 1993 both teams have had fewer than 3 losses). Doesn't matter who gets which slice - these are very large pies.

Throw a major scandal in the works and everybody pays a price.


That said - let's follow one potential outcome (even if the above is off target).

Auburn and Oregon run the table shutting out Boise St and TCU. Now comes the news that Auburn was dirty, shouldn't have been there, and the powers that be knew in advance they shouldn't have been there.

This is no longer the pollsters and computers determining who gets to play for the NC. You can make the case that the outcome was manipulated by the NCAA itself. At least if I live in Idaho I am making that case and calling for my congressman to get involved.

 

[BigWoof31]

The bigger question is what to do with the SEC as a whole. I'd like to think the NCAA and other powers would come together and threaten to revoke their AQ status or even kick them out of the BCS system altogether. Sadly, that's not going to happen. Neither the overall culture of the South, nor the specific individual political legislatures have zero interest in changing and I don't see the one school that has both the power and possible desire to do something about it (Florida) stepping up and showing some public leadership.

You had me nodding my head in agreement till this bit of hyperbole.
You're concluding that:

A person born in the south is:

1. More inclined to cheat
2. Will elect politicians that will allow him to cheat
3. Continue to cheat and elect politicans that will help him cheat (after being caught and punished)
4. Will raise a family of fithly cheaters (and likely racists too....correct?)
5. Damnit Deety - where is that Hamsters and Apples picture again?


If you're going to refute the argument that the geographical location of where a person is born has everything to do with their speed/athletic talent (quite correct) I'm going to ask you to apply the same reasoning for a persons honesty/character.

 

[Dryden]

A person born in the south is:

1. More inclined to cheat
2. Will elect politicians that will allow him to cheat
3. Continue to cheat and elect politicans that will help him cheat (after being caught and punished)
4. Will raise a family of fithly cheaters (and likely racists too....correct?)

Well ... yeah.

Can you not follow along? What, were you born in the south?

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

A person born in the south is:

1. More inclined to cheat
2. Will elect politicians that will allow him to cheat
3. Continue to cheat and elect politicans that will help him cheat (after being caught and punished)
4. Will raise a family of fithly cheaters (and likely racists too....correct?)

 

[BigJim]

If you're going to refute the argument that the geographical location of where a person is born has everything to do with their speed/athletic talent (quite correct) I'm going to ask you to apply the same reasoning for a persons honesty/character.

Something about nature vs. nurture comes to mind here...

 

[y0yoyoin]

A person born in the south is:

1. More inclined to cheat
2. Will elect politicians that will allow him to cheat
3. Continue to cheat and elect politicans that will help him cheat (after being caught and punished)
4. Will raise a family of fithly cheaters (and likely racists too....correct?)
5. Damnit Deety - where is that Hamsters and Apples picture again?

6. Loves the strip club Porky's

 

[WilliamTSherman]

If Sherman hadn't been such a softy we wouldn't be having this problem.

Just sayin'...

Got something to say? Say it to my face.

 

[Muck]

Got something to say? Say it to my face.

I had no problems getting into a donnybrook with Hackworth so don't think I won't take a poke at you old man.

 

[WilliamTSherman]

I had no problems getting into a donnybrook with Hackworth so don't think I won't take a poke at you old man.

Bring a flashlight and a packed lunch. Hackworth ain't got nothing on me. He may have written a primer on it, but I put the "G" in Guerilla.

 

[WilliamTSherman]

As for Auburn, I believe I can help with that barn razing!

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

You had me nodding my head in agreement till this bit of hyperbole.
You're concluding that:

A person born in the south is:

1. More inclined to cheat
2. Will elect politicians that will allow him to cheat
3. Continue to cheat and elect politicans that will help him cheat (after being caught and punished)
4. Will raise a family of fithly cheaters (and likely racists too....correct?)
5. Damnit Deety - where is that Hamsters and Apples picture again?


If you're going to refute the argument that the geographical location of where a person is born has everything to do with their speed/athletic talent (quite correct) I'm going to ask you to apply the same reasoning for a persons honesty/character.

I am absolutely saying that the culture of the Southeast puts those schools football success ahead of anything else! I'm not saying that state legislators--well most anyways--aid and abet the cheating. I am saying that few, if any, will risk their political futures by attempting to swim against the football first tide of their states' populace.

If this was happening at any Big Ten university, there would be serious pressure for a house cleaning and reforms coming from alumni, state legislators, the major newspapers and the business community. Whether you want to admit it or not, it's a different world with different priorities up here.

I also find it highly coincidental that the two SEC publics that have best managed to, if not break away, at least put some distance between themselves and the old school ways (Florida and Georgia) are also in the two states most affected by population inflows from the Northeast and Great Lakes.