Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

[Piney]

The BCS and the bowls aren't affiliated with the NCAA, although the NCAA sure looks the other way in allowing their members what to play in.

Ahhhh, but how can the NCAA ban teams from Bowls?

The reason is while the BCS and Bowls aren't affiliated with the NCAA, they still need to be certified by the NCAA to allow to exist.

But the BCS can easily say they had no time to change. But, the media pressure will be HUGE.

I need some popcorn cuz this is going to be fun to watch.

 

[BigWoof31]

OK, what now? Who is going to show leadership in that conference? Let's be honest, Auburn might be the most psychopathic killer on the SEC death row, but they're not the only one convicted of murder. It's been common knowledge for decades that the ADs run the show in the SEC. Where are the reforms going to come from? While Vandy seems the logical answer, it's safe to say that--even if GG were still there--there's only so much weight they carry. Is the UF prez going to be the one taking the lead at the podium (and in the back rooms) in the aftermath of this [censored]storm?

I know you like to speak in broad sweeping generalizations - but this could not be further from the truth.

The past two AD's at Georgia were fired by the President without consent from the Board of Regents. Damon Evans, for conduct determental to the University and Vince Dooley for the desire to move in a new direction.

Reading it again for you - He fired the AD of 10+ years and the winningest coach in the programs history in a matter of two months to bring in his own guy.

The AD may hold sway at Auburn - but that is not the case at UGA or any other schools.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The AD may hold sway at Auburn - but that is not the case at UGA or any other schools.

I don't know the exact power structure at each school but lets not pretend Auburn is alone in the "Surely Everyone Cheats" conference. They might be the worst offender (that we know about) but iirc when Kramer was in charge all 12 schools had been on NCAA probation (and that's just during his tenure, not all time). In fact I pretty distinctly remember Slive making a public goal of getting everyone off probation by a certain date. I mean outside of the old SWC what commissioner has to say that?

Add the oversigning component to it and it shouldn't be hard to understand the perception of the SEC outside of the south.

 

[ScriptOhio]

This is better than any TV reality show; I'm anxiously awaiting for the

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[cincibuck]

I know you like to speak in broad sweeping generalizations - but this could not be further from the truth.

The past two AD's at Georgia were fired by the President without consent from the Board of Regents. Damon Evans, for conduct determental to the University and Vince Dooley for the desire to move in a new direction.

Reading it again for you - He fired the AD of 10+ years and the winningest coach in the programs history in a matter of two months to bring in his own guy.

The AD may hold sway at Auburn - but that is not the case at UGA or any other schools.

The difference, Big Woof, is that from the get go the Western Conference (nka the Big Ten) was headed by a board consisting of member schools' presidents. From the inception the conference also bound the member schools through a cooperative network for sharing libraries, resources and research, a condition that remains unique among most of the "major" conferences -- I think the Pac Ten has the same agreement now.

In the SEC Vandy, Florida and Georgia have strong academic programs, but the rest of the conference is certainly second tier. The hiring of Capaletti at Kentucky and Lane Kiffin at Tennessee (I know he's gone) says much about the ethical concerns for two of the other member schools.

 

[scooter1369]

I wish this was happening to us so I could tune into ESPN and get the whole story.

You must spread some Reputation before giving it to Oh8ch again

No shit.

 

[Vinsanity]

Ahhhh, but how can the NCAA ban teams from Bowls?

The reason is while the BCS and Bowls aren't affiliated with the NCAA, they still need to be certified by the NCAA to allow to exist.

But the BCS can easily say they had no time to change. But, the media pressure will be HUGE.

I need some popcorn cuz this is going to be fun to watch.

Well they can't but they could make a team ineligible for playing without the NCAA's blessing. I'm sure they have plenty of back alley ways of taking care of things.

 

[BigWoof31]

The difference, Big Woof, is that from the get go the Western Conference (nka the Big Ten) was headed by a board consisting of member schools' presidents. From the inception the conference also bound the member schools through a cooperative network for sharing libraries, resources and research, a condition that remains unique among most of the "major" conferences -- I think the Pac Ten has the same agreement now.

Good stuff cinci - but I need to bit more education on the subject. Please help me understand how the "board of presidents" system relates to program discipline?

I am really am not trying to be a smartass here - I need some clarification.

1. Would the Board of Presidents (BOP) say "no way" if Wisconsin wanted to hire Calipari or say....Dennis Erickson (coaches with shady pasts)?

2. Would disciplinary measures be a (BOP) decision rather than a school or NCAA decision?

3. Were the BOP consulted when it was discovered that Michigan had been working out and practicing in excess of NCAA limits? Did they hand down a recommendation to UM or did the school govern itself? Or did they let the NCAA handle it?

Just using that example to see what the actual influence the BOP has over the AD's...etc

 

[PlanetFrnd]

that explains Tebow's virginity

awesome

 

[buxfan4life]

Good stuff cinci - but I need to bit more education on the subject. Please help me understand how the "board of presidents" system relates to program discipline?

I am really am not trying to be a smartass here - I need some clarification.

1. Would the Board of Presidents (BOP) say "no way" if Wisconsin wanted to hire Calipari or say....Dennis Erickson (coaches with shady pasts)?

2. Would disciplinary measures be a (BOP) decision rather than a school or NCAA decision?

3. Were the BOP consulted when it was discovered that Michigan had been working out and practicing in excess of NCAA limits? Did they hand down a recommendation to UM or did the school govern itself? Or did they let the NCAA handle it?

Just using that example to see what the actual influence the BOP has over the AD's...etc

Not trying to answer for cinci here, but I would like to point out that if Fairley was in the Big Ten, he would be suspended by the Conference for a couple of games for his malicious style of play. This happened to a UM player and an OSU player in the past couple of years for unsportsman like conduct. I have never heard of a case where the SEC has done the same.

 

[Gatorubet]

My alma mater is 5-6 and we lost to [censored]ing Colorado.
Ain't nobody looking at us and accusing us of cheating.

Gator - you think da Corch and his staff are burning down the phone lines calling AU commits telling them the hand of god is coming down and they need to take a look at UF? Cause I'm pretty sure Georgia's doing it right now.

I think we are getting a busy signal while Saban is pitching.

 

[Gatorubet]

Not trying to answer for cinci here, but I would like to point out that if Fairley was in the Big Ten, he would be suspended by the Conference for a couple of games for his malicious style of play.

Or one game, like Reynolds choking Sorgi and actually putting him out of the game???

This happened to a UM player and an OSU player in the past couple of years for unsportsman like conduct.I have never heard of a case where the SEC has done the same.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5729976

Google is your friend

I would like to see Fairly suspended for a game, but the hypocrisy and hyperbole on here is a little much

 

[muffler dragon]

I may post some more, but I found this astounding in that tigerdroppings link:

1) April 1999. Budget Cuts orchestrated by Lowder as head of BoT Finance Chair eliminate the PhD. program in Economics, pissing off a large portion of the Faculty, including then Pres. William Muse. By Feb, 2001 (led behind the scenes by Lowder) Muse has had enough, gets forced out and takes a similar position with East Carolina.

2) March, 2001, Muse along with several Faculty and Dept Chairs, initiate a formal complaint to the SACS that BoT has severely infringed upon the authority of the University President, specifically the "Micromanagement" of Lowder in both Academics and the Athletic Dept. They specifically site the Termination/Resignation of TBowden as record.

3) SACS records 9 votes of no confidence and was in the process of initiating and investigation when AU sues the SACS for lack of due process.

4) In August, 2002 a Federal Judge appoints an independent examiner to look into allegations, as well as the financial ties between the various BoT members. Richard Bradley issues a report on December 13th, but the Judge, at the insistence of SACS, deems the report inadequate. So Bradley does another investigation, the results of which are curiously sealed by a separate court order, an order which remains intact still today.

5) SACS places AU on a one year probation, the most severe sanction possible without pulling the accreditation entirely. Although hampered by a Federal Judge's restrictions, they were still able to substantiate Micromanagement issues. Specifically, the business relationships bewteen Lowder's Bank, Atty Jack Miller (BoT member as well as lead Counsel for Colonial Bank) Jimmy Rane (BoT Member whose Lumber Company's primary commercial banking relationship is with Colonial Bank, Also owning Colonial Bank Stock worth over $2.4Million), would allow Lowder and his "Minority" vote could influence the "Majority". They also noted Lowder & Co.'s involvement in both the Dye-PFP and Bowden termination as Micromanagement.

 

[BB73]

Not trying to answer for cinci here, but I would like to point out that if Fairley was in the Big Ten, he would be suspended by the Conference for a couple of games for his malicious style of play. This happened to a UM player and an OSU player in the past couple of years for unsportsman like conduct. I have never heard of a case where the SEC has done the same.

Last year Florida's LB Brandon Spikes was suspended for a game after his attempt at eye-gouging during TWLOCP was caught on camera. It was initially a first-hald suspension, then made a full game after the public reaction to the half-game.

 

[muffler dragon]

http://forum.tidesports.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15506

Someone forwarded me a story out of Montgomery that, if true, really means Auburn and Newton are dirty. Here it is :
McGregor and 10 others are scheduled for arraignment Friday morning in federal court in Montgomery on charges accusing them of buying and selling votes on pro-gambling legislation.
The bigger picture here is that the Feds have been investigating Milton McGregor (A major Auburn Booster and the owner of VictoryLand, which is located just outside of Montgomery) for quite some time. The Feds are investigating efforts to pass gambling legislation in Alabama and money laundering schemes involving McGregor and other prominent Alabama politicians and Auburn boosters.

The Feds have tape from wire taps made on McGregor and other prominent Auburn boosters from their investigation. The Newton's were just shopping their talent's to the wrong people at the wrong time and thus there is hard evidence available that incriminates everyone involved. It's only a matter of time that all of this information becomes public.

FBI found out about Cam before the NCAA did while wiretapping Milton McGregor and others related to the casino/bingo indictments. They uncovered conversations with McGregor, Auburn and Cam's uncle in Michigan. McGregor paid $250K to the uncle through a PAC and other hidden entities and the uncle funneled the money to Cecil.

The FBI gave this information to the NCAA sometime after the indictments were handed down. They had to sit on the information for 6 months until the grand jury indicted the men and women in the gambling deal. All of the wiretap information was sealed and that is why the delay in investigating. The NCAA had to go to Miss St to see if Cecil had solicited money from them as well. That is why Miss St is involved. They are basically connecting all of the dots. Miss St may be cleared because they told Cecil no. He then went to Auburn. The offer was on the table from McGregor but Cam wanted to play at Miss St and not Auburn. When Miss St declined to pay him, he went to where the money was... hence the comment, "The money was too much." The FBI met with the Miss St coaches, John Bond and Bill Bell today to get their official statements.

Also from tigerdroppings:

The final gem of the day came from TD Poster "Tuck", on pg. 68 of Egg's "Mega Thread"

some more goodness, not from BOL though:
quote:

The FBI has been investigating Colonial Bank and Louder for a number
of possible violations in the financial market crash which are
unrelated to AU. Part of the investigation involved gambling fraud
between McGregor and Colonial Bank. Something called the Rico Stature
allowed the justice department to set up wiretaps on Colonial Bank.
On the wiretaps the FBI found major AU recruiting infractions involving
Louder, McGregor, Dye, Trooper, boosters and others.
Here?s what they say the FBI has on tape and can prove AU did:

? The people above are on tape explaining who they paid and how they did it.
? It involves many AU players
? Providing unmarked Colonial Bank ATM cards to players to withdraw
money from secret accounts.
? Giving ?slot machine cards? to the players, which now involves the
Alabama Gaming Commission.
? Provided improper loans to some of the families in our last and
current recruiting class.
? The NCAA ?strongly? recommended that AU sit Cam for GA. game because
of the mounting evidence.
? President Grogue wanted to sit Cam but was overruled by Louder and
the Board of Trustees.
? Coach Chizik knows none of this and has been lied to by Jacobs.
? The people named above know the S%#& is going to hit the fan ?big
time? and have decided ?we?re going down? so lets win the title even
if they take it away later.
? Slive knew about this early and sat on the information and is also
in the ?crosshairs? of the FBI..
? The corruption is so deep at the highest level (trustees) that AU
will be evicted from kicked out of the SEC.
? This will be revealed by the end of the week.