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Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

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Buckeyefrankmp;1808289; said:
If the FBI and the IRS starts to get involved, I think Cam and Auburn are not going to be as focused as they need to be going into the SEC title game. I have a feeling they are going to lose a game before December.
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They still have to win at Alabama. Scandal or not, that was always going to be their biggest hurdle.
 
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Cecil Newton said:
I'm not going to confirm nor deny nothing that has been taking place. I've answered what I need to answer.
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Really? If it was me and I knew we had done nothing wrong I would damn sure be denying it to everyone and anyone. That sounds more like a guy trying to follow his attorney's advice than a pissed off dad.

Then again, if you look closely at the double negative, what is he actually saying? :wink:
 
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MaliBuckeye;1808244; said:
I want to come back to this, and get insight from other BP folks in Higher Ed.

If I remember correctly, FERPA violations are pretty big deals- more than just the Athletic Department getting a slap on the Rodriguez.

From the above link:
Granted, this may not be an "institutional control" type of thing, but with the amount of media that this situation is getting, you've got to think that the Department of Education will be somewhat interested (especially now that the FBI is involved).

Makes the earlier articles in the Dispatch a lot more relevant, in my opinion.
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I believe it would take egregious and systematically widespread violations to even bring a loss of federal funding into a discussion. I would think the remedy for something like this would be somebody losing their job and a review of the institution's policy toward FERPA for faculty and staff that work with student-athletes.

Granted, it's entirely possible that Newton himself discussed his disciplinary situation with another student or a friend, and that's how something like that can get out legally without coming from Newton or his family. I wouldn't think that would be a strong enough source to run a story on it, but you never know these days.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1808350; said:
Shaggy Bevo is on it with their usual flair.

Keep reading...eventually an Auburn poster just starts going ballistic, raging about JEWS, wishing for AIDS on an MSU poster and hoping Urban's daughter gets raped. Inevitable comparisons to Aggy soon follow.
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11-04-2010 08:20 PM #84
WhoooTex

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asshat

I might be asleep and dreaming something hilarious, but it looks to me like we have an Auburn fan lecturing us on racial tolerance and NCAA compliance.
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:slappy:
 
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I have two nagging questions for Gator. First, exactly how many times does one of Urbie's players have to get caught cheating before he's disciplined? Kicked off the team? Expelled? Second--and this is more of a rhetorical question--I wonder what exactly induced Cam to Florida in the first place?
 
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This story is as attention-grabbing as the conference expansion story was at its height this past summer.

My opinions on Newton - he apparently was a guy with little integrity and poor character while at Florida. Buying the laptop out of the trunk of somebody's car (which is Cam's story stating that he didn't steal it) was a bad choice, but one that's forgiveable in my book. Tossing it out his dorm window after the cops talked to him about it was another bad decision (and obstruction of justice as Gator has pointed out), but I can see a college kid panicking in that situation.

But the allegations of academic fraud while at UF are more troubling. Buying/submitting a paper that he got from the Internet is another bad move, but I'm still not ready to write him off because of that.

But the other allegation, that he wrote his name on another kid's paper without his knowledge, which left the other kid without a submitted paper, is an egregious offense to me. Stealing another kid's work, and possibly doing serious damage to his grade in that class, is really low and is something that really bothers me if it's true. The other kid was fortunate that the prof noticed that he hadn't submitted a paper, and when the kid said that he had submitted one, the prof asked the kid to look through the group of papers to find it - which he did, although his name was removed and Cam Newton's name had replaced it.

Now those allegations are something that shouldn't have come to light because of academic privacy laws. But Cam didn't deny them yesterday - he just said they were two years ago and he didn't want to "beat a dead horse". So my personal choice is to believe those stories, and I'm more bothered by the stories themselves than the fact that they were leaked despite privacy issues.

Now, Auburn may have been unaware of Newton's apparent academic misconduct when he was a Gator, and they may have admitted him under what would be normal academic clearance procedures for an athlete.

But the claims of two Miss St. recruiters, stating that both Cam and his Dad told them that Cam switched his commitment to Auburn because of the amount of money invovled, is quite alarming. And if the tape recording of Newton's father discussing how 3 payments of $60K would be received does exist, his eligibility at Auburn may be coming to an end quickly.

I was taking a wait-and-see approach to this story. But the charge of switching his name on the paper has made me stop rooting for him, and the stories of Auburn outright buying him for somewhere between $180-$200K has me hoping that they'll lose before they reach the BCS Title game, and that Cam doesn't win the Heisman.

I would rather see a BCS Title game between two teams that didn't blatantly buy a star player, and I'd rather see somebody of character and integrity win the Heisman trophy.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1808347; said:
And I'm guessing the IRS will get involved if that church donation was claimed as an exemption.
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That and I have to assume that if someone is trying to profit from their son playing ball, they are also the same type of people who may or may not give all of that $200 large to their church...and if they did give it to the Church, how much of that Church money is being spent on the Newtons.

Good luck with ALL that.
 
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BB73;1808380; said:
This story is as attention-grabbing as the conference expansion story was at its height this past summer.

My opinions on Newton - he apparently was a guy with little integrity and poor character while at Florida. Buying the laptop out of the trunk of somebody's car (which is Cam's story stating that he didn't steal it) was a bad choice, but one that's forgiveable in my book. Tossing it out his dorm window after the cops talked to him about it was another bad decision (and obstruction of justice as Gator has pointed out), but I can see a college kid panicking in that situation.

But the allegations of academic fraud while at UF are more troubling. Buying/submitting a paper that he got from the Internet is another bad move, but I'm still not ready to write him off because of that.

But the other allegation, that he wrote his name on another kid's paper without his knowledge, which left the other kid without a submitted paper, is an egregious offense to me. Stealing another kid's work, and possibly doing serious damage to his grade in that class, is really low and is something that really bothers me if it's true. The other kid was fortunate that the prof noticed that he hadn't submitted a paper, and when the kid said that he had submitted one, the prof asked the kid to look through the group of papers to find it - which he did, although his name was removed and Cam Newton's name had replaced it.

Now those allegations are something that shouldn't have come to light because of academic privacy laws. But Cam didn't deny them yesterday - he just said they were two years ago and he didn't want to "beat a dead horse". So my personal choice is to believe those stories, and I'm more bothered by the stories themselves than the fact that they were leaked despite privacy issues.

Now, Auburn may have been unaware of Newton's apparent academic misconduct when he was a Gator, and they may have admitted him under what would be normal academic clearance procedures for an athlete.

But the claims of two Miss St. recruiters, stating that both Cam and his Dad told them that Cam switched his commitment to Auburn because of the amount of money invovled, is quite alarming. And if the tape recording of Newton's father discussing how 3 payments of $60K would be received does exist, his eligibility at Auburn may be coming to an end quickly.

I was taking a wait-and-see approach to this story. But the charge of switching his name on the paper has made me stop rooting for him, and the stories of Auburn outright buying him for somewhere between $180-$200K has me hoping that they'll lose before they reach the BCS Title game, and that Cam doesn't win the Heisman.

I would rather see a BCS Title game between two teams that didn't blatantly buy a star player, and I'd rather see somebody of character and integrity win the Heisman trophy.
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C'mon, forget all that. We know that Cam is a great kid because he has a big beaming smile just like Magic Johnson.... :roll1:
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1808373; said:
I have two nagging questions for Gator. First, exactly how many times does one of Urbie's players have to get caught cheating before he's disciplined? Kicked off the team? Expelled?
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I have a nagging question or two also. Where has it been proven that the academic cheating accusations are true? Where has it been proven that the Florida Staff knew about the cheating accusations? Why does your willingness to assume the validity of the cheating accusations, and Cam leaving to avoid suspension and related problems, not also assume that concomitant suspensions from Urban played a part in his decision to bail to Blinn? For you to even form the question requires you to engage in selective sifting and acceptance of several unproven assumptions: Cam cheated; Urban knew of the cheating; Cam was not already on some kind of probation for the first instances of alleged cheating, and that despite Urban's knowledge, he had decided not to institute any punishment for Cam cheating.

While a very ORDish thought process (at least as it relates to anything Urban), it is a thought process that is not working at maximum efficiency when it comes to veracity of information relied upon or fairness to the individual questioned.

ORD_Buckeye;1808373; said:
Second--and this is more of a rhetorical question--I wonder what exactly enduced Cam to Florida in the first place?
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A team that had recently won an SEC and BCS Championship - and was about to win another one of each - I suppose....

It's not like we desperately needed a QB at the time of his signing a LOI....or had lost a five or six year string of superiority to our hated rival Bama, losing two in a row to Satan. :biggrin:

All I know is I helped a good bunch of Christians in Alabama that year. :lol:
 
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