Bill Smith
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It will be his loss if chooses not to be a Buckeye
1 player isn't breaking what Day has going
1 player isn't breaking what Day has going
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Sorry, the elite WR play has carried over into the NFL far more than the elite QB play has.
Day's offense has been lethal since he took over when he's had his Olave, MHJr, J Smith beast out there. It's a symbiotic relationship, neither can do it without the other but let's not act like this wouldn't be a major blow.
No it won't break what Day is doing but no one is going to transfer in and just make you forget the talent this kid has. I'm sure you could go back to JJ's thread and find similar bravado when the idea he might flip came up. Yeah, we would have gotten another WR but we wouldn't have had J Smith.
From everything I have read, this kid is in that kind of talent stratosphere.
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2018 would be an example of an elite Day passing attack with a good, but not great WR group.
Hopefully, we land somewhere between that group and what we’ve had the past 5 years.
If we can land Henry and keep Jamier Brown, we’ll be set up for the next few years.
We won’t stack talent like Hartline did but, with the right hire, we should still have an elite passing attack.
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billmac91
Head Coach
The unique thing about Hartline was his ability to recruit studs every year, with many knowing they’d have to “wait their turn”.
Thats unusual in today’s landscape but just getting an invite to the WR room was seen as “elite”. And the development while you waited was usually well worth it.
Where OSU now takes a dip, is the standard ups and downs around WR classes and kids looking at available PT. Hartline was so good, the depth chart didn’t matter…
So that’ll kinda suck…..
Thats unusual in today’s landscape but just getting an invite to the WR room was seen as “elite”. And the development while you waited was usually well worth it.
Where OSU now takes a dip, is the standard ups and downs around WR classes and kids looking at available PT. Hartline was so good, the depth chart didn’t matter…
So that’ll kinda suck…..
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and that 2018 team wasn't a NC contender either.
This day and age the dominant WR is what the stud RB used to be. Yeah you can have good RB's but there is a difference between very good and elite. Antonio Pittman was very, very good but he wasn't Beanie Wells.
Hopefully we can stay elite at WR but there is seemingly no way we stay at the absurd level Hartline had us at.
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Because of a horrible rushing attack and defense.
Look at the WR for the 2021, 2022, 2023 champions.
You can win a Natty with the 2018 WR group. Just will be easier with a group like the last 5 years.
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Probably worth a discussion outside the kids thread.
Days offense is built around 1) WR mismatch + 2) NFL scheme and reads. His QB's constantly find open WR's which allows 3) run game and formation to be lethal because of the WR driven pass game.
He wins per play because his WR's destroy matchups, shred coverage shells and make defenses predictable.
You can win with mediocre WR's but that is not how Day tries to win.
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
We don't and won't have mediocre WRs though. And Day is starting to show he can adapt as a coach. He doesn't rely solely off elite WRs. Even this year before Tate and Smith got hurt, they had a much higher TE usage rate than in the past. No one is downplaying CHJ's talent, but the future of our offense hardly hinges on him
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I never said it did.
The inflection point is upon us though. The WR recruiting and development is going to take a step backward. It has to. Hartline was the best and no one else was al that close.
Day's offensive success (not other peoples and not what is possible...Day's formula) is built on an NFL passing system throwing to NFL WR's against college defenses.
Now his biggest advantage just got blunted (no matter what Henry does).
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daddyphatsacs
Let the cards fall...
I think the blunted part is TBD. None of us have a clue who is out there that might have interest in the job. Obviously, Hartline is 1 of 1, so we will have at least a temporary dip. There could be an NFL guy or up and coming young coach who might kill it.
After Day hired Patricia, I have full faith in his ability to reload his coaching staff.
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College football is about adapting to and then overcoming the changing environment.
Given the changes and adaptation this program has gone through in the past 370ish days, I'm relatively optimistic that the impact won't be as severe as it could be.
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BuckBackHome
Wolverine is largest member of weasel family
Here I thought there was news on CHJr. Silly me;-)
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Hopefully not but you don't change offensive identity on a dime. Recruiting and roster composition have to change with it.
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