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C Byron 'B.J.' Mullens (Levanga Hokkaido Sapporo - Japan)

jimotis4heisman;1436367; said:
and not to be a jerk but i was the same way. and as i recall i believe it was you steve who mentioned at a similar age you were throwing rocks/bricks at armed soliders/kids in the national guard.

Like I said, JO4H, kids just don't listen and we all were once kids.

Members of my family and father's close friends were Columbus firemen and police. I would see them during the demonstrations. I don't recall ever throwing anything at the National Guardsmen or Army Reservists. I had other things on my mind. I still bear emotional scars from striking out with 35,000 coeds at Ohio State. :biggrin:


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Back to Mullens...
 
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Steve19;1436319; said:
The problem with kids is that they don't listen....

... or maybe they listen too much. He's been hearing for 3 years that he will be the #1 overall pick in June of 2009. Once that's ingrained in anyone's mind, it's gotta be hard to let go.

That's the sad thing with Koufos, Crater, and (seemingly) Mullens. It'd practically be "failure" if they had to return for a 2nd year of school because they weren't ready for the NBA.
 
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ScriptOhio;1436509; said:
Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1436109; said:
I must say, I think the chances of a basketball player getting a career ending injury is quite remote. Actually, beyond remote. It's remote in football... it's some level of even more so for a basketball player.

Remote yes, but it can happen; just ask Jay Burson. :(

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Perfect example... how many hundreds of thousands have played college basketball since Burson's injury? (I realize his is not the last, but it does serve to illustrate how "remote" remote is.
 
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jwinslow;1436515; said:
At this time last year, some thought Mullens could be a top-5 or even #1 pick. His stock plummeted during his first year at OSU. I'm not sure it's safe to assume he'll reverse that trend.

His so-so play and subsequent lack of PT was mainly due to his attitude. The kid simply needs to grow up and focus. If he listens to his coaches and does what he needs to do to reach his potential, then he'll make a ton more than he'll make right now.
 
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Rather than going to the extreme (career ending), how much money would Oden have lost with another season hampered by injuries?
MililaniBuckeye;1436537; said:
His so-so play and subsequent lack of PT was mainly due to his attitude. The kid simply needs to grow up and focus. If he listens to his coaches and does what he needs to do to reach his potential, then he'll make a ton more than he'll make right now.
Which is precisely what would concern me about him returning. Lauderdale will still be on campus, Turner/Buford may still be the premiere scorers, and the same staff which struggled to get through will be assigned that task again. (note: that's not a knock on the staff)

The safest choice may be to go pro now while his potential still outweighs his performance. Another year of play like this one, and that may be the stronger impression he leaves on scouts.

I think he's a kid who needs a few years to mature in many areas. But if he has his heart set on going pro soon, now may be best.
 
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jwinslow;1436541; said:
Rather than going to the extreme (career ending), how much money would Oden have lost with another season hampered by injuries?

Oden is another story...that dude seems like he's always hurt. How much time did Mullens miss this year due to injury?

As for Mullens needing to mature, there's where we totally agree. He can go pro now and be satisfied with two mil after taxes and agent fees for a three-year deal, or better himself individually and as a player and make much more. I think most of us know what he'll likely do, but I don't think that's his best choice for the long haul...
 
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Just to throw another opinion into the mix.. I think sometimes people forget how quickly giant NBA contracts can fade away. Most of the people saying he should leave now are saying he should do so for his family.. Help them get in a better place, etc, definitely shouldn't wait when you have such an easy opportunity to help them out. And I definitely agree.

But here's the thing, let's say he goes now. And let's say he's a relative bust in the NBA. This is quite possible; he goes, stinks it up in his first few years (which I think likely at his current level), maybe that gets to his head, people deem him a bust, he deems himself a bust, and things slowly fall apart. I think this is definitely a plausible scenario, if not downright likely. That means his total net earnings consist of his rookie contract, which would be generous, but not too great considering he's looking at late first round at this point.

So that's a few million dollars. Now think about it. He has a pretty big family. I'm guessing he has uncles who aren't doing so well. I'm guessing he has a grandfather who needs taking care of. Let' face it if I suddenly get millions of dollars and I have family in serious need, I'm spending that money and I am helping them out.. I'm not talking $10k... I'm talking serious help to get them out of the hole. Those few millions can disappear real fast.. REAL fast. And life expectancy is nearing 80 years.. That's an ugly 50 years with no money, no college education, no real income at all.

Other scenario, he stays for a year. Then he can re-evaluate. If his stock continues to drop or stays the same, he can stay in school for 2 more years, get a degree, and then enter the draft. I highly doubt his stock would DROP from where it is now, he will have gained a LOT of school from Matta, who is 100% interested in making him as good of a player as possible and devoting all of his time to it, instead of the NBA where it's hard to devote time to a bench player. So in the end he gets the same amount of money (but gets it later, which does suck), but at least has a degree. And personally I think he would raise his stock a bit and therefore get a decent amount more money. This means the loss is a few years of income, the gain is probably more money when he does go to the NBA, a college education, and all the perks that come from being an OSU star--endorsement money, ability to open up a bar anywhere in CBus for an easy and safe job..

He could also stay for a year and have his stock drastically improve, and then leave and this scenario has been argued by Mili... And, again, he'd get better endorsement, more college exposure and more tOSU exposure.

Anyway, I'm not saying he should definitely stay, but I do think that it is the wise decision. I think the easy quick decision is to go pro now, but I do think overall the safer choice is to go to school.. For him and his family.
 
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jwinslow;1436515; said:
At this time last year, some thought Mullens could be a top-5 or even #1 pick. His stock plummeted during his first year at OSU. I'm not sure it's safe to assume he'll reverse that trend.

Are you tellin me that the kid doesn't believe in himself and doesn't know for a fact that he's going to do big things next year. He might as well go then cause if that was my mentality then I better make all the money I can get while at least someone wants me, but if I'm a GM no way in hell am I taking a player afraid to prove how good he is. I think it IS safe to say that he'll reverse that trend, or at least I would hope that BJ Mullens himself thinks that.

BJ Mullens is 5 times the talent of Roy Hibbert by the way, don't give me that crap. Roy Hibbert is the most unathletic, uncoordinated basketball players i've ever seen. BJ Mullens can become ten times the player of him.
 
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Are you tellin me that the kid doesn't believe in himself and doesn't know for a fact that he's going to do big things next year.
If it's as simple as that, my question is why he didn't do it this year.
BJ Mullens can become ten times the player of him.
Splendid. But right now he's not anywhere near Hibbert.
 
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Plus, get off the injury crap. Ohio State fans are so scared sometimes. Oden is injury prone. I don't see any of the top NBA prospects from college hurt right now or hurting their stock. Mullens is a whimp if that's an excuse.

All I have to say is look at Blake Griffin. Now this year's number one overall pick.
 
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All I have to say is look at Blake Griffin. Now this year's number one overall pick.
When BJ starts playing with the fire Blake does, then I'll back you up on that comparison. There's no question BJ has loads of talent. The question is whether his drive & attitude will allow him to realize it.
 
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jwinslow;1436703; said:
If it's as simple as that, my question is why he didn't do it this year.
Splendid. But right now he's not anywhere near Hibbert.

It is as simple as that because I can see he can and will be a great player when I look at him. It's not always so black and white. Sometimes things are just obvious. I can tell he's going to be very good if he gets the right coaching. I don't know why he didn't do it this year, you tell me. Emeka Okafor didn't his first year, Hasheem Thabeet didn't his first year, and obviously I was only looking at recent big men at UConn. Why do a bunch of guys underachieve their first year?

Yeah, right now he's not anywhere near Hibbert, which is why he should come back. Thanks for making my basic point.
 
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