Fantasy BuckeyePlanet Fantasy Football - Keeper League (R.I.P.)

[jlb1705]

So, the keepers will be set in stone today, or tomorrow at 8? Just wanting to know, I may reconsider if not...no bigge though.

Since everybody had declared I was going to go ahead and enter them so people had more time to plan for the draft.

If you're really still thinking it over though I'll leave it open until tomorrow night.

 

[Derek2k3]

If I can switch, I'd like to keep Ahmad Bradshaw and Dallas Clark.

Its ok if its too late, I don't want to be "that guy" :)

Also, as a clarification, with regards to trades:
Say I draft Brian Westbrook in the first round and I trade him to J Winslow. If J Winslow chooses to keep him the next year, he loses his 1st rounder?

 

[jlb1705]

If I can switch, I'd like to keep Ahmad Bradshaw and Dallas Clark.

Its ok if its too late, I don't want to be "that guy" :)

Also, as a clarification, with regards to trades:
Say I draft Brian Westbrook in the first round and I trade him to J Winslow. If J Winslow chooses to keep him the next year, he loses his 1st rounder?

On the keepers, duly noted.

As for the trade scenario, I would assume that the draft position follows the player unless they are waived and claimed as a free agent. I'll wait for jwinslow to chime in on this though since he seems to be the one most familiar with these kind of rules.

 

[jwinslow]

Say I draft Brian Westbrook in the first round and I trade him to J Winslow. If J Winslow chooses to keep him the next year, he loses his 1st rounder?

Correct. To take it a step further...

I draft Beanie Wells in the 6th.
I trade Beanie wells to Derek.
If he wants to keep Beanie next year, he has to give up a 6th.
He trades him to jlb during next season.
If jlb wants to keep him for the season after that, he has to give up a 4th.

 

[Derek2k3]

Right, with the whole "Every year a player is kept he costs one round ahead of his original position."

Thanks, both of you. Should be a great year!

 

[jlb1705]

Correct. To take it a step further...

I draft Beanie Wells in the 6th.
I trade Beanie wells to Derek.
If he wants to keep Beanie next year, he has to give up a 6th.
He trades him to jlb during next season.
If jlb wants to keep him for the season after that, he has to give up a 4th.

My follow up question would be, say a person wants to keep two players with first round values (either from a trade or from a player being kept multiple years). Is that permissible, and if so how should we handle it? Would it be a first and a second? Obviously you can't lose two firsts and you can't go up a round from there.

 

[jwinslow]

Actually, the way I set it up currently was:

Year 1 - same round
Year 2 - 2 rounds earlier
Year 3 - 3 rounds earlier

We can adjust it to be 1 round earlier for Year 1, but I think we should wait to apply that rule until next year... when everyone knows the rules going into the draft.

 

[jwinslow]

My follow up question would be, say a person wants to keep two players with first round values (either from a trade or from a player being kept multiple years). Is that permissible, and if so how should we handle it? Would it be a first and a second? Obviously you can't lose two firsts and you can't go up a round from there.

I think that should be illegal. The highest you can keep is:

Round 1 & Round 2 or
Round 2 & Round 2, which rounds up to a 1st & 2nd by the rule about identical values.

 

[jlb1705]

Actually, the way I set it up currently was:

Year 1 - same round
Year 2 - 2 rounds earlier
Year 3 - 3 rounds earlier

We can adjust it to be 1 round earlier for Year 1, but I think we should wait to apply that rule until next year... when everyone knows the rules going into the draft.

Also, can a player with a first round value be kept more than once, since there is no higher round for his value to move up to?

 

[jwinslow]

That's an interesting question. You should definitely be able to keep a player who was not a first round value in previous years... the question is whether you should be able to keep Adrian Peterson year after year (obviously with a max of three). What is your gut reaction guys?

My gut reaction is to return that caliber of player into the draft pool sooner, but I'm not sure.

 

[jlb1705]

That's an interesting question. You should definitely be able to keep a player who was not a first round value in previous years... the question is whether you should be able to keep Adrian Peterson year after year (obviously with a max of three). What is your gut reaction guys?

My gut reaction is to return that caliber of player into the draft pool sooner, but I'm not sure.

I'm thinking that it should be permissible to keep that player for the full three years, even if they're a year beyond first round value. I think we have rules to reward drafting well in later rounds, and this would reward drafting well in early rounds. Plus, I think part of the point of having a keeper league is to emulate the kind of long-term projection of player production that an actual franchise has to do. I'm in favor of rules that promote continuity with a team's very best players - even if the person managing the team has to pay a steep price to do it in the second and third years.

 

[jwinslow]

sounds good...

 

[Derek2k3]

A couple of my thoughts:

1. I think a player drafted in the first round should be eligible to keep for all 3 years, as was previously said. Its not like 10 years or anything, plus it gives the guys who struggled the previous year(s) a shot at getting some stability and consistency.

2. I think if you are able to pull off an approved trade without giving up your first rounder, and you decide to keep them both, then congrats for great strategy. Lose a fist and second round pick the next 2/3 years. Seriously, if someone can pull off a trade that gives them a Matt Forte and AP, then more power to them.

Thoughts, comments?

 

[jlb1705]

2. I think if you are able to pull off an approved trade without giving up your first rounder, and you decide to keep them both, then congrats for great strategy. Lose a fist and second round pick the next 2/3 years. Seriously, if someone can pull off a trade that gives them a Matt Forte and AP, then more power to them.

Thoughts, comments?

I don't think it's fair to be able to keep a player at a cost below his draft value under the rules. There's no way to assign multiple picks to a player's value either in the same year's draft or in future drafts. Essentially the way this is going to work is that whoever keeps Adrian Peterson is going to have that pick manually entered by me before the draft as that team's first round pick. Really, you're not losing a pick with a keeper so much as you are designating it. I think jwinslow's suggestion to make keeping two first rounders illegal is best with respect to fairness and logistics.

Oh, and Matt Forte has a 6th round value, thank you very much.

 

[jwinslow]

Just to clarify, teams have the ability to own a player for 4 years, since the 3 keeper years come after the drafted season. That's a long time, but it sounds like that's the popular method.

As far as two firsts, I'm not sure there's a fair way to allow those keepers. Docking them a 1st and 2nd doesn't work, and docking them a 1st in later years doesn't fix the current year's imbalance, not to mention what do you do when they want to keep those players the next year? It seems like limiting to 1 first round value keeper is the way to go.

Also, should we have any provision for season ending injuries? Picking up tom brady off the waiver wire is a bit different than Matt cassel or desean Jackson. Maybe an average of their draft slot and round 7 (the waiver wire standard value)?


That way someone still throws a lot away with dropping brady or Peterson, but that doesn't create an unrealistic rating. Tom brady as a 3rd or 4th sounds more fair, that's a valuable but not elite pick, compsed to a 7th which is second tier qb territory. The same would be reasonable if Peterson tore his acl. If we did that, should we round up (4) or down (3), since brady's value would be 3.5