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a lot of it is perception... to a casual browser otis and I seem to be at each other's throats occasionally, but if necessary we will take things up via PM (usually it is just good debate). At the end of the day, we're just two strong-willed buckeye fans that appreciate this forum for discussion and debate.
 
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Go away from the computer for a week, and, for once, miss a weeks worth of posts:!

Peach: "Is it possible to keep Open Discussion limited to members only?"
I think this is a very good idea.
Clarity: "How does everyone feel about this? Certainly it's possible, would it afford us the freedom to have easier speech in those areas, and then we tighten down a bit in the main sports and recruiting areas? "Tighten down" isn't the right language, but we watch ourselves more in there?"
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For me, part of the original allure, was the idea of being able to drop the F-bomb when needed, or sometimes, not needed. In any thread.
And wasn't part of ThreeYards point of this thread the idea of self-policing - that we, the cursers, take it upon ourselves to knock it off. At least until the filter is up and running again:biggrin: .

Some have suggested the reigns be tightened. That may or may not work. I know the reigns were tightened on another Buckeye site, and now most of their posters seem to be here.
It seems this site has grown, and will continue to grow, with the more or less gentle nudging we get from the guys with the whips. Clarity says that we are 99% good, 1% not as good. Why change the atmosphere completely to hopefully fix only 1%.

Remember, its not the way the site is run; its the way we run our site! and by we, I mean all of us - not just the moderators.

- personally, I like the idea that others can read what we post. Again, even in the open forum, its 99% good.
 
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I have another suggestion.

Giving a newbie rep is a good incentive for them to post. On the other hand, it is true that you give someone rep and their total goes up pretty quickly these days.

Clarity, is it possible to invoke different types of rep, say Major and Minor or High, Medium, and Low? In that way, people with lots of rep could choose how much they want to impart.
 
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sandgk said:
Perspective via a question -

Of 4829 BP member listings how many are actually "in the red?"

Answer (as of this moment) 222.

Which means that less than 5% of the BP inmate population has anything other than positive rep.
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Great analysis, but you may want to consider that the % in the red might be higher because many who go negative turn off their rep system.
 
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jwinslow said:
maybe I'm in the "elite" group, but I post things all of the time that are the opposite of what grad, bkb or jimotis think. I get lit up from time to time, but that is b/c my argument is sometimes faulty.
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It's true, Jwin gets lit up .. :p

Actually the point is, even when Josh and I are in an argument about whether the running game is key or not, neither he nor I have considered dinging the other (at least I don't think he's thought of dinging me) Now, if I concluded my agrument with him by saying somehting like, "you're a big poopy-head with egglike eyes and a poor haircut and that's why I'm right about the running game" I should expect a ding.

In fact, I rep (not ding) posters and posts I disagree with... not as often as maybe I should, but I do none the less.
 
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I have to speak, because this is so frustrating.

1. The Reputation feature is not life or death. People who look at as life and death will be failures, not only here at BP, but in life. Get over yourselves.

2. The Reputation feature has little to do with the point of this thread. Yes, this thread is about how we can improve our site, but moreso in attempting to limit the apparent "reputation" that we have allegedly earned in the online communities. Racisim, Sexism, and the like will no longer be tolerated. The Rep. system isn't even a means to an end, it's more of a fun feature that can be utilized. If you don't like the rep. feature, TURN IT OFF.

3. The masses need to realize that there will always be a Tibor and a TG05, or more than one of each. Tibs got his rocks off by baiting and stirring up the site. TG05, intentionally or not, makes extremely dumb posts. No offense, TG05, but it is true. I am truly amazed at the bulk of your posts, and unfortunately that isn't a compliment. But, everyone else needs to realize that this will happen. Before TG05, there was donnyr. After him, there will be someone else. Personally, again, I see no problem with the way TG05 has been treated...especially after reading his complaints in this thread. The fact that 99% of the posters here do not want to tolerate idiocy is the reason BP is special and different. I do not believe all posters should be treated the same, and I do not believe that we should go easier on idiots who break the rules or choose to make unfound statements with no proof. If we start to tolerate this, then the overall quality of the entire site will slide into obscurity.

***I am not saying that BP is going this route, or that anyone wants it to, as I know full well that Clarity does NOT. But, this needs to be kept in check. I understand there have been problems with noobs being treated harshly, according to other posters in this thread. This is not what I am addressing here.***

4. Senior members need to realize that there is a difference between a TG05esque post, and noob making a mistake out of ignorance. A little tolerance, I believe, will go a long way to reducing our so-called "elitist" reputation. As has been mentioned earlier in this thread (way earlier), begin to utilize PM's instead of dings on new members making these types of mistakes. Mod's can merge duplicate threads with a "heads-up" PM to the offender noob. If all of us make an extra 1% effort in this area, the problem will be solved. Is 1% too much to ask?

5. As 21 pointed out in the posts he deleted above, baiting and open insults do not need to be a problem here anymore. If two posters want to get into a knockdown match, do it via PM. (Thump, I'll PM you in a minute..:wink2:) Obviously, I have been guilty of this myself. This is something that will happen occasionally regardless, just given the nature of the myriad of personalities and subject matter on this board. But obvious baiting, Tiboresque attempts at pot-stirring, and flagrant provocation will not be tolerated.
 
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3yardsandacloud said:
Regardless of my personal opinion the reputation system is here to stay. Why? Because Clarity (and the majority of members) want it to stay. It IS an effective indicator of a member's perceived reputation at BP. As shown in previous posts, it can be an effective tool in creating change in posting patterns/behavior. Basically, it's another system of feedback. Information you can use to become a better poster. At the worst (and the best argument for keeping the rep system instead of scrapping it) you may turn the reputation system off. If it bothers you too much, simply turn it off. Problem solved.
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I agree that it's become pretty much worthless.

How can a newbie know who is a high ranked member when it seems as if over half the members have maxed out medals?

Instead of medals, maybe a number that indicates that members ranking.

One bad thing about the rep system and I've gotten pms's about this is that many newer members are afraid to disagree with high ranking members in fear they will get dinged like crazy and the mob mentality set in.

I do see though that without the rep sys. many newbies could just run amuck by calling out more respected members at every whim.

I see the positives and negatives of the system but I remember back in the day(just last year) when I got a rep that was worth 2000 points and that was a big boost.

Maybe make rep power 1% or less of your total reputation.
 
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I don't know if this is possible, but what about a vCash kinda rep system. Where you can give as much or as a little of rep as you want to a poster. You have a sort of "bank roll" of rep points and once you spend them on good(or bad) posts, points get deducted from your point total. And if a moderator thinks a post is good he can give you points from a sort of BP bank(where it doesn't get deducted from his/her points). This way we can keep people from over using the system and keep the rep totals down to earth.
 
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tedginn05 said:
I don't know if this is possible, but what about a vCash kinda rep system. Where you can give as much or as a little of rep as you want to a poster. You have a sort of "bank roll" of rep points and once you spend them on good(or bad) posts, points get deducted from your point total. And if a moderator thinks a post is good he can give you points from a sort of BP bank(where it doesn't get deducted from his/her points). This way we can keep people from over using the system and keep the rep totals down to earth.
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Sounds WAY too complicated.
 
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Yeah, I suppose it's true that newbs don't know that. But, there is little we can do to impart on newbies knowledge before they get here. There is the FAQ area, but I'm not sure if the rep system is addressed there, and I don't know how many newbs actually utilize the FAQ section anyway. But, at least it's an effort on our part to get the info out there.

I should also say, it's been my understanding that the long timers also sign thier dings, so Newbs should not have to misunderstand who's hittin em for too long.
 
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Randomly - is the first page of this thread missing for anyone else? I can see it in IE but not Firefox. Odd.

As for rep, as long as rep power builds without limit based on rep received, people's points will grow exponentially:

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And the gap between the rep between people who have been here a while and newer posters, or good posters who just don't happen to get repped as often, continues to grow. If there's some way to cap rep power to a relatively low set maximum, rather than working with percentages, I think that's the way to go.

In any case, maybe we can all make an effort over the next few days to catch some of the great posters who haven't received as much recognition as they should.
 
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