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Buckeye Offensive Coordinator Discussion (merged)

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cincibuck said:
Next, why with three excellent and fast receivers that should be able to force DBs to go deep, can we not throw the ball over the middle to Hamby or Pittman? Is it because we have to keep the TE and the RB in to block?
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Cinci - good point on the clock management issue. It does seem to take precious seconds of game time when the Buckeyes are trying to get things going in the waning seconds of a half.

However, as far as the above is concerned -- isn't that rather like asked and answered? With a 3 WR set you would likely want your TE and RB to pass protect early. They may or may not release and go down-field, but that will be dictated by the defense you face. Against Penn State's D my feeling is that max protect had to be extended, or Troy would be flushed from the pocket early.
 
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WestEnd said:
The playcalls are getting into the huddle WAY too late. Even peyton manning wouldn't have time to read the defense when the playcall gets into the huddle with 15 left on the play clock.
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This has nothing to do with Troy Smith. That garbage was happening even when Krenzel was there and was a senior--the plays would come in too late, and by the time our guys got lined up, we'd often have to take a timeout or would be flagged for delay of game. That's something there's no excuse for, and it's frustrating to watch.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You are so right it's flat out ridiculous. When we went 6-6 and 8-4 in Cooper's last year and then 7-5 in Tressel's first, we would've killed to have a 1- or 2-loss season. Well, we've had a perfect season witrh a NC and a 11-2 season with a consensus #4 ranking. Our "bad" year was the same 8-4 record that was the best of the three I listed above. Now if we don't run the table, we're a disappointment, and even when we win it sucks if it's not a blowout.
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I think the team has put this on itself a little bit...after all, weren't they ones saying this team closely resemble the 2002 team in the offseason?

Fans were led to believe, rightly or wrongly, that 2005 would be 2002 all over again...undefeated...win the close games...win the big games...win the NC - now that's not happening they're jumping off cliffs.
 
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buckeyeboy said:
This has nothing to do with Troy Smith. That garbage was happening even when Krenzel was there and was a senior--the plays would come in too late, and by the time our guys got lined up, we'd often have to take a timeout or would be flagged for delay of game. That's something there's no excuse for, and it's frustrating to watch.
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You are correct there, this has been a problem for years.
Its baffling really, we all know what the play call is going to be, why does it take so long to decide?
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I think once he gets to that happy medium where he'll run through his progression but will run if everyone is covered and not "overwait" like he's doing now, we'll be fine on offense.
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ding ding ding, we have a winner. Smith is being put in a box. Now he stinks up that box of his own doing somewhat, but if he is given back that freedom it will be a much better version of ugly tresselball :)
 
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buckeyeboy said:
This has nothing to do with Troy Smith. That garbage was happening even when Krenzel was there and was a senior--the plays would come in too late, and by the time our guys got lined up, we'd often have to take a timeout or would be flagged for delay of game. That's something there's no excuse for, and it's frustrating to watch.
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I want to know what the QB's are wearing the armbands with the plays on them for since it seems like they get the plays directly from JT or an incoming WR every down. Heck Smith wears his armband on his belt, which should make it impossible to read if they are putting 70-100 plays on there like they should. It should take the coach about 2 seconds to signal in the play number. If they're worried about other teams sniffing out their play numbers make a few armbands and switch them up during the game. JT seems to run the sideline like a Jr High team.
 
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exhawg said:
I want to know what the QB's are wearing the armbands with the plays on them for since it seems like they get the plays directly from JT or an incoming WR every down. Heck Smith wears his armband on his belt, which should make it impossible to read if they are putting 70-100 plays on there like they should. It should take the coach about 2 seconds to signal in the play number. If they're worried about other teams sniffing out their play numbers make a few armbands and switch them up during the game. JT seems to run the sideline like a Jr High team.
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I don't know but when I was in high schoo, we had a college qb as the ocordinator it was strictly the plays that would be called in the two minute drill, and he would signal in the number.

As for Mili's post above I think you hit the nail on the head.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You are so right it's flat out ridiculous. When we went 6-6 and 8-4 in Cooper's last year and then 7-5 in Tressel's first, we would've killed to have a 1- or 2-loss season. Well, we've had a perfect season witrh a NC and a 11-2 season with a consensus #4 ranking. Our "bad" year was the same 8-4 record that was the best of the three I listed above. Now if we don't run the table, we're a disappointment, and even when we win it sucks if it's not a blowout.

There have been plenty of times this season where I've been a bit frustrated with the offense, but Saturday night I didn't yell at the TV as often as I have other games, because I knew a lot of the offensive woes were caused by the Barton injury and the subsequent adjustment to that by the PSU defense. Watching on TV, I don't get the chance to see the whole field as the plays develop, and I've been told by a few folks that there were quite a few instances where we had a reciver or two open and Smith simply didn't see them or couldn't get the ball to them. Also, I noticed that even when Smith had the time and the WRs weren't open enough, he hesitated to run. I think once he gets to that happy medium where he'll run through his progression but will run if everyone is covered and not "overwait" like he's doing now, we'll be fine on offense.
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Agree about Smith. Or at least that we haven't seen enough of him, or any of the QB's, to accurately judge them. Smith did not practice with the 1's all off- or pre-season, so he has some excuse.

As for the rest, I'm not so sure. While I'm not the prototypical "cliffjumper" Buckeye fan that we are all so familiar with, the reason two losses is such a big deal now is because of the expectations and the talent. Under Cooper, we KNEW every year that he would drop one or two (or more). After 2002, many probably had unrealistic expectations because of what JT had done with a so-called under-talented team. I was not surprised, however, in 2003 when we dropped a couple games, because we had lost so much. But from last year to this year, we didn't lose hardly anyone. And we were playing SO fuckin' well at the end of last season. And I KNOW that we are a better team than both Texas and Penn State. We outplayed Texas, and should have gotten the W. What is so bitter about all of this is that it is lack of execution (in one form or another) that has caused the L's. I honestly feel this is the best team in the country, and we now have TWO losses. It's a bitter pill, and I'm having a hard time swallowing it. Knock me all you want, but I honestly think that this year's squad is better than the 2002 squad.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You are so right it's flat out ridiculous. When we went 6-6 and 8-4 in Cooper's last year and then 7-5 in Tressel's first, we would've killed to have a 1- or 2-loss season. Well, we've had a perfect season witrh a NC and a 11-2 season with a consensus #4 ranking. Our "bad" year was the same 8-4 record that was the best of the three I listed above. Now if we don't run the table, we're a disappointment, and even when we win it sucks if it's not a blowout.

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I agree with some of this. However, I do not expect to run the table EVERY season. But, to be honest, I fully expected it this year. We have way too much talent and game experience to settle for anything less.
 
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Tressel on whether he would consider taking a step back in terms of his role with the offense: (Bascially, would he consider hiring an offensive coordinator from the outside if things don’t improve.)

“I think that's a discussion you have at times. But, you know, I'm not sure that that would interest me. We'll see, but I like being involved.”
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There lies the problem.
 
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