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Buckeye Fact or Fiction '06 Edition Pt.1

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Strangely enough, when Ginn goes pro, I don't see him as a WR.

I see him as a PR/KR in the pros, and maybe playing DB if the team needs one.

He's still pretty small. I think he's only like 175 lbs(According to OSU's site), compared to 170 when he came to OSU. Pro WR's are pushing 210-220. I just don't think he's big enough.
 
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jwins -- Excellent example of a player that does more with less mass in Marvin Harrison. Though TG05's line is representative of the taller NFL receiver there are certainly NFL WRs that fit into that 175-185 bracket and do more than prosper. (Jackson at San Diego is one other example)

Also, it is worth remembering that Teddy is still a growing lad. Even if he were to jump to the NFL at the end of this year I think it doubtful that he will stop growing. If he is 175 now, 180 or more could happen as he fully matures.

As for PR/KR duty - a lot of very good players get some duty at KR/PR, precisely because of the killer speed they can bring. Ron Woodson is one excellent example in his prime, Tim Dwight would be another. That's pretty good company.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life said:
1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?
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1. Fact - Holmes is a more complete receiver then what Ginn is.

2. Fact - His end of the season surge pretty much helped him become a #1 receiver for 2006. Another offseason sure helps.

3. Fiction - Losing nine starters is going to hurt. Two years ago Ohio State only had 4 starters coming back and struggled early. This defense will struggle early.

4. Fiction - Tressel will be conservative as always when this team gets a 2+ TD lead. Plus he doesn't run the score up on inferior teams in the 4th quarter.

5. Fact - Wells will play more on the goaline then Pittman.
 
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1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball? fact

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year? fact

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year? fiction, losing 9 starters hurts, but the talent coming in is suppose to be better, its just a matter if they can play older than they are and if tressel can get them ready by game one, i say they're top 25 defense

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year? fiction, its good enough to be number one, but id say again top 25 on this one

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman? fact, because of goalline situations, im still wondering, what are we going to do with maurice wells, wasnt he a 5 star recruit two years ago?
 
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sandgk said:
jwins -- Excellent example of a player that does more with less mass in Marvin Harrison. Though TG05's line is representative of the taller NFL receiver there are certainly NFL WRs that fit into that 175-185 bracket and do more than prosper. (Jackson at San Diego is one other example)

Also, it is worth remembering that Teddy is still a growing lad. Even if he were to jump to the NFL at the end of this year I think it doubtful that he will stop growing. If he is 175 now, 180 or more could happen as he fully matures.

As for PR/KR duty - a lot of very good players get some duty at KR/PR, precisely because of the killer speed they can bring. Ron Woodson is one excellent example in his prime, Tim Dwight would be another. That's pretty good company.
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Who is this Ron Woodson you speak of? Is he related to Rod? :p
 
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1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?
Fiction. Holmes is irreplaceable, but a strong WR corps in 06 is not a stretch. Mangold is the best C in america, and took an NFL starter's job 4 years ago when he got to OSU. His body, smarts and experience simply cannot be matched early on by Cordle. I think Cordle will be a very good replacement, but it will take time.

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?
 Fact. Holmes was the premiere #1 target in the nation, so matching his ability is not a prerequisite to making this claim a fact. He will continue to develop, and with Smith, Pittman/Wells, and Gonzo on the field... the D will not be able to key on Teddy.

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?
Fiction. I think they will surprise the nation and be pretty good. Top-15 is quite an achievement. Obviously we struggled a little in 04, but we were not in the top-15 in total D in 2002 either (#23).

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?
Fiction. I think they will be a top-10 offense, but not on paper. Tressel's refusal to run up the score and the strength of the big ten D will only contribute to this being the case.

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?
fiction. By season's end, I believe Wells may become our #1 redzone threat, but Pittman is no slouch inside. If he can pick up a good chunk of redzone TDs earlier in the season as Wells is progressing, I think they could come out pretty even in this regard.
 
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jwinslow said:
1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?
Fiction. Holmes is irreplaceable, but a strong WR corps in 06 is not a stretch. Mangold is the best C in america, and took an NFL starter's job 4 years ago when he got to OSU. His body, smarts and experience simply cannot be matched early on by Cordle. I think Cordle will be a very good replacement, but it will take time.

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?
 Fact. Holmes was the premiere #1 target, so matching his ability is not a prerequisite to making this claim a fact. He will continue to develop, and with Smith, Pittman/Wells, and Gonzo on the field... the D will not be able to key on Teddy.

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?
Fiction. I think they will surprise the nation and be pretty good. Top-15 is quite an achievement. Obviously we struggled a little in 04, but we were not in the top-15 in total D in 2002 either (#23).

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?
Fiction. I think they will be a top-10 offense, but not on paper. Tressel's refusal to run up the score and the strength of the big ten D will only contribute to this being the case.

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?
fiction. By season's end, I believe Wells may become our #1 redzone threat, but Pittman is no slouch inside. If he can pick up a good chunk of redzone TDs earlier in the season as Wells is progressing, I think they could come out pretty even in this regard.
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I couldn't have said it any better myself, so I won't even try.
 
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jwinslow said:
1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?
Fiction. Holmes is irreplaceable, but a strong WR corps in 06 is not a stretch. Mangold is the best C in america, and took an NFL starter's job 4 years ago when he got to OSU. His body, smarts and experience simply cannot be matched early on by Cordle. I think Cordle will be a very good replacement, but it will take time.

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?
 Fact. Holmes was the premiere #1 target, so matching his ability is not a prerequisite to making this claim a fact. He will continue to develop, and with Smith, Pittman/Wells, and Gonzo on the field... the D will not be able to key on Teddy.

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?
Fiction. I think they will surprise the nation and be pretty good. Top-15 is quite an achievement. Obviously we struggled a little in 04, but we were not in the top-15 in total D in 2002 either (#23).

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?
Fiction. I think they will be a top-10 offense, but not on paper. Tressel's refusal to run up the score and the strength of the big ten D will only contribute to this being the case.

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?
fiction. By season's end, I believe Wells may become our #1 redzone threat, but Pittman is no slouch inside. If he can pick up a good chunk of redzone TDs earlier in the season as Wells is progressing, I think they could come out pretty even in this regard.
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or I could have just did what AJHawkfan did and agreed with this 100%
 
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jwinslow said:
1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?
Fiction. Holmes is irreplaceable, but a strong WR corps in 06 is not a stretch. Mangold is the best C in america, and took an NFL starter's job 4 years ago when he got to OSU. His body, smarts and experience simply cannot be matched early on by Cordle. I think Cordle will be a very good replacement, but it will take time.

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?
Fact. Holmes was the premiere #1 target, so matching his ability is not a prerequisite to making this claim a fact. He will continue to develop, and with Smith, Pittman/Wells, and Gonzo on the field... the D will not be able to key on Teddy.

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?
Fiction. I think they will surprise the nation and be pretty good. Top-15 is quite an achievement. Obviously we struggled a little in 04, but we were not in the top-15 in total D in 2002 either (#23).

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?
Fiction. I think they will be a top-10 offense, but not on paper. Tressel's refusal to run up the score and the strength of the big ten D will only contribute to this being the case.

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?
fiction. By season's end, I believe Wells may become our #1 redzone threat, but Pittman is no slouch inside. If he can pick up a good chunk of redzone TDs earlier in the season as Wells is progressing, I think they could come out pretty even in this regard.
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I agree with JWins take!
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life said:
1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?
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1: Fact - the most consistent WR we had, also the number one concern for most defenses, he was sure handed and will be sorely missed

2: Fiction - I love Teddy but I beleive that Gonzalez will be the go to guy for 9 yards on a 3 and 8. Teddy will make defenses respect his ability to go long therefore leaving the underneath routes that Troy is good at throwing open for Tony.

3. Fiction - Maybe the last 6 games it will, but too many pieces need to be replaced for this defense to have a similar performance as last year. Look out for breakdowns in coverage especially if our Dline doesn't generate a pass rush, OSU tends to get conservative with the LB's when they're inexperienced. I expect low 20's in defense ranking.

4. Fiction - Too many offenses in the Pac 10 and other weaker conferences have to face bad defenses week in and week out. But the offense vs defense ratio should be a top 10.

5. Fiction - I expect A pittman to have 11 TD's next year compared to Wells 6. Pittman will get 5 of them in nonconference games while Wells is picking up the offense in garbage time. I expect Wells to get 5-10 carries a game early, while getting more as the big ten rolls around.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life said:
1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?
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Fact. The OL has a lot of good young depth, and as a whole will be better. Datish or Cordle won't be as good as Mangold, but the rest of the group will make up for it. Santonio will be very hard to replace.

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?
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Fiction. Ginn will be the WR that other DC's will worry the most about, but he won't have the best stats. Teddy doesn't run very good routes, and doesn't have the best hands. I'd look for Gonzo to have the best numbers and clutch catches. I would also like to see Roy Hall step up and have a great senior season. We need his physical presence.

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?
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Fiction. I would love to see it happen, but it is going to be hard to fill all of those holes. By the end of the season they could be a top 15 type of defense, but they will take some lumps early.

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?
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Fiction. This team will live or die on Troy Smith. If he has a scum/ND type of game every single week they could. I still have my doubts about how he plays against good defenses. If he can put up 30+ points and beat Texas I will feel better. JT usually doesn't let his offense run up the score like the teams that are in the top 10 so if the defense is able to continue their strong play JT will like like keep keep his foot on the brake of the offense.

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?
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Fact. I'll go out on a limb. Pittman had a good year last year and didn't score many TD's. However good Pittman is Wells has more power, and will likely get the Bettis carries inside the 5. Barring injury Pittman will end the season with more yards than Wells.
 
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Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4Life [IMG]http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/images/misc/backlink.gif[/IMG]1. Santonio Holmes was the biggest loss on the offensive side of the ball?

2. Ginn will be a legitimate #1 reciever at the beginning of the year?

3. Ohio State's defense will be ranked in the top 15 next year?

4. Ohio State's offense will be ranked in the top 10 next year?

5. Chris Wells will score more TD's than Antonio Pittman?


1. Fiction, Mangold
2. Fact, He has come on strong and now is ready to take over the go to receiver position.
3. Fiction, but top 25 as the year goes on they will progress.
4. Fact, Top 5
5. Fact, More goal line carries. it took forever for Pittman to get into the endzone this year.
 
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