Brady Quinn (Fox CFB Analyst)

[buckeyefool]

How about- If you are picked 22nd you shouldn't expect 10th money, or even more than what 21 is going to get.

I was talking about buckwreslters comments about Whitnet last year where he said whitner should have been happy with what ever was offered basicly since he was taken so much higher.

 

[AKAK]

I'm sure that the Browns are also in this annoying position of having to deal with the prevailing view that QB's are worth more.... so... the problem becomes if the want to pay Quinn according to his slot... that means they have to pay Joe Thomas for his slot... (instead of playing the old, 'you're just a lineman' card).

Apparently the Dolphins are looking at throwing 16 mil of gauranteed money at Ted Ginn at #9?

wtf? Big money for 9.

Whatever... alt least its a big domino to fall... and some of these first rounders will start signing with another benchmark set if that one gets done. (and what's with all the 2nd rounders not signed?)

At any rate... I guess there's no point in calling Quinn the bad apple until Wright and Thomas are signed too... I hate this damned time of year... piles of rookies not in camp, and more or less everyone sitting around waiting to see what everyone else is doing.

 

[Bucks21]

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Going off of last years draft the number 22 pick Manny Lawson got 5 years, worth up to $13.6 million ($4.9 million guaranteed). While Leinart got 6 years, worth up to $50.8 million ($14 million guaranteed) at the number 10 pick. And Cutler got almost the same deal as Leinart did at the 11th pick. Kamerion Wimbley got 6 years, $23.7 million ($9.3 million guaranteed) at the number 13 pick.


So I don't see how the Browns could give Brady anymore than 7.5-8 million guaranteed. With a contract that is worth about 20-25 million total including incentives. Which would be a similar to the contract that they gave Wimbley last year. If they give Quinn more than that, the Browns will be making a lot of other teams angry because then the picks around Quinn will be asking for money like that.

 

[NFBuck]

Features - NFL pro football articles and coverage from Pro Football WeeklySo I don't see how the Browns could give Brady anymore than 7.5-8 million guaranteed. With a contract that is worth about 20-25 million total including incentives. Which would be a similar to the contract that they gave Wimbley last year. If they give Quinn more than that, the Browns will be making a lot of other teams angry because then the picks around Quinn will be asking for money like that.

Basically the Browns are in a lose-lose situation. You have a skill position player who was supposed to go higher, but you don't want to throw too much money at him, lest you inflate the market. I didn't like the pick from the start. Hopefully a reasonable middle ground is found and Brady proves me wrong. I've always been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he really does want to be a Brown supposedly, but fuck him if him (and his agent) if they try to hold out for more money than his draft position deserves. Sign an incentive-laden deal and get your ass in camp.

 

[tsteele316]

Basically the Browns are in a lose-lose situation. You have a skill position player who was supposed to go higher, but you don't want to throw too much money at him, lest you inflate the market. I didn't like the pick from the start. Hopefully a reasonable middle ground is found and Brady proves me wrong. I've always been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he really does want to be a Brown supposedly, but fuck him if him (and his agent) if they try to hold out for more money than his draft position deserves. Sign an incentive-laden deal and get your ass in camp.

supposedly, the big holdup is that condon wants quinn to be paid big time in the final years of his deal. while the initial salary would be pretty much in line with the pick, the later year of the deal would be pretty big. if this is the case, make those last year incentive and performance bonus based and get your client in to camp.

 

[BuckWrestler141]

Okay just for clarification on your stance. If you are projected low, but a team reaches for you, you should be happy just to take the lower amount of money, but if you are projected high and slip, you should just be happy to didn't slip farther and take the lower amount also.

Way off topic now and I expect to disagree here, I don't remember the details of his contract as much as I used to, but I think in the case that he had it wasn't like he was being completely low-balled. I do think he should take exactly what his salary bracket would peg him in at, and that being as much of a reach as he was that he and his agent shouldn't be trying to squeeze out those last extra dollars.

I know it is a deal where the agent wants to throw his numbers out to the recruit the next year but still it is just my thoughts.

 

[ysubuck]

People keep saying that "he was supposed to go higher."

Says who?? Hell, if the Browns hadn't traded up to get him he might have slipped to the second round.

He went where he was "supposed" to go, to the team that picked him. The Browns got him at pick #22. They can't use the argument that they got him using a high first round pick from next year because what happens if the Browns screw up and go .500? They might be right back at #22 next year.

 

[JCOSU86]

They can't use the argument that they got him using a high first round pick from next year because what happens if the Browns screw up and go .500? They might be right back at #22 next year.

Great point. But we are talking about the Browns.

 

[MSURacerDT55]

People keep saying that "he was supposed to go higher."

Says who?? Hell, if the Browns hadn't traded up to get him he might have slipped to the second round.

He went where he was "supposed" to go, to the team that picked him. The Browns got him at pick #22. They can't use the argument that they got him using a high first round pick from next year because what happens if the Browns screw up and go .500? They might be right back at #22 next year.

I'm with you on that one,damnit he was the 22nd pick,treat him like one

 

[Buckeyedynasty]

I'm with you on that one,damnit he was the 22nd pick,treat him like one

Agreed. Pay him like the 22nd pick that he is and if he does turn out to be good than the incentives should help to pay him what he deserves.

 

[Mike80]

He went where he was "supposed" to go, to the team that picked him. The Browns got him at pick #22. They can't use the argument that they got him using a high first round pick from next year because what happens if the Browns screw up and go .500? They might be right back at #22 next year.

If the Browns draft at #22 next year, that would mean they made the playoffs.

That's not happening.

 

[Bleed S & G]

If the Browns draft at #22 next year, that would mean they made the playoffs.

That's not happening.

Hey if the browns made it one year with couch and no o-line, we might stumble in this year with a great o-line, a pretty solid reciving core, a new running game, new offense.. but what about d? well this romeo guy is supposed to be one helluva defensive coach once his players get in place.. i dont think they'll make it, but i wouldnt rule it out just yet.. they have a fighting chance this year.

Now back on topic to quinn

To everyone saying im biased.. let me say i am, but its not because hes a domer.. its because i have yet to see him have a big game against real competiton at any level of play. not saying it wont happen, i hope he's the next montana, but all i've ever seen his him choke.. and to be honest, i could throw wobbly jumb balls to jeff smarazafja every down too, especially playing army He was picked 22, should be payed accodingly with incentives.. he should NOT get top 10 money.. based only on where he was picked and nothing to do with his alma matter or past performances..

 

[Buckin' A]

I was suppose to be a doctor (according to my mommy), but ended up going into public service. Does that mean that I get to be a cop who makes doctors money? Nope, it means he gets paid like the #22 pick. Deal with it Brady...you're no doctor.

 

[CookyPuss]

People keep saying that "he was supposed to go higher."

Says who?? Hell, if the Browns hadn't traded up to get him he might have slipped to the second round.

He went where he was "supposed" to go, to the team that picked him. The Browns got him at pick #22. They can't use the argument that they got him using a high first round pick from next year because what happens if the Browns screw up and go .500? They might be right back at #22 next year.

I don't know about "people" but Phil Savage should have kept his mouth shut on draft day instead of admitting that they would have taken him higher but couldn't work a deal. He basically gloated that he got a top 10 pick at #22. At any rate, I'm one to let this play out a little longer before passing judgement.

 

[NFBuck]

The show must go on
Quinn misses fourth day of camp in contract holdout

BEREA, Ohio (AP) -- Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Brady Quinn missed his fourth day of training camp Monday in a contract holdout that shows no signs of ending anytime soon for the first-round draft pick.

Quinn, who figures to compete for the starting job with Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson, has missed six practices so far.

Browns general manager Phil Savage has been in negotiations with Quinn's agent, Tom Condon, but the team said there was nothing new to report.
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SI.com - NFL - Waiting for Brady: Browns, Quinn not close - Monday July 30, 2007 5:22PM

Get your punk ass in camp!
If he doesn't sign in the next week, I seriously hope he doesn't see the goddamn field at all this season..