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BPCFFB 2008 Season?

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While what you are saying makes sense I think I preferred the method of them counting as the late rounds as a reward to those who chose wisely in the previous draft. Chosing younger unproven players over the more sure thing senior guys if you take that risk this season I think you should be rewarded the following year? So I vote for late rounds.
 
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BuckeyeSoldier;1211694; said:
While what you are saying makes sense I think I preferred the method of them counting as the late rounds as a reward to those who chose wisely in the previous draft. Chosing younger unproven players over the more sure thing senior guys if you take that risk this season I think you should be rewarded the following year? So I vote for late rounds.
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And to add to this side of the argument. Doesn't it "make sense" that if you are a senior laden team and don't keep many players that you would be at a disadvantage the next season with a "young" team.

But just seeing both sides of the argument.
 
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BuckeyeSoldier;1211694; said:
While what you are saying makes sense I think I preferred the method of them counting as the late rounds as a reward to those who chose wisely in the previous draft. Chosing younger unproven players over the more sure thing senior guys if you take that risk this season I think you should be rewarded the following year? So I vote for late rounds.
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I understand where you are coming from but what about early entries as well as seniors. When the players you've "chosen so wisely" leave or become seniors you feel its fair to give up the entire next season because you've stayed with your players? You arent locked in at any point on a given player. Just because you keep them one year doesnt mean they stay on your roster for 4 or even 2 or 3 years. By keeping a player though you are basically drafting your bench otherwise you wouldnt need to draft at all since you already have players. Is it right or competitive to be drafting bench players when other rosters are almost bare? Do you want to have a competitive league or just 2 or 3 people who get lucky enough to have players stay and produce dominate the league. I would hope most people prefer to have an annually competitive league. IF not I dont think I personally would want to stick around for it down the road.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I understand where you are coming from but what about early entries as well as seniors. When the players you've "chosen so wisely" leave or become seniors you feel its fair to give up the entire next season because you've stayed with your players? You arent locked in at any point on a given player. Just because you keep them one year doesnt mean they stay on your roster for 4 or even 2 or 3 years. By keeping a player though you are basically drafting your bench otherwise you wouldnt need to draft at all since you already have players. Is it right or competitive to be drafting bench players when other rosters are almost bare? Do you want to have a competitive league or just 2 or 3 people who get lucky enough to have players stay and produce dominate the league. I would hope most people prefer to have an annually competitive league. IF not I dont think I personally would want to stick around for it down the road.
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Whose roster is going to be almost bare?
 
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Just seems to kinda negate the whole point of a keeper league... you lose any advantage you gained from drafting younger players the previous year.

I also dont see how it should lead to a few dominant people since this way there will be a fresh draft at the top of everyone...

I would think your way would lead to a lot of "yo yo"ing from top one year to crap the next.. Isnt the whole point of the keeper league to give you the added choice of whether you want to try and go for it all this year with the upperclassmen or draft young and build for the future? if we do it your way building for the future costs you in the future and makes the whole thing pointless and would lead to a lot of people not wanting to keep nearly as many of their picks since they will be missing out on their best draft picks to keep guys who may or may not have panned out.
 
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Not true. If you build young you still have the opportunity to add to your roster later in the rounds and allows teams that lost a lot of players due to graduation or early entry to again try to build young. The best way to build a keeper team is to find the diamonds in the early classes, that is true, but you can also win if you select all seniors, thats your prerogative. If we put the roster picks at the back end of the draft you basically are not going to be able to draft upper classmen from year to year and are almost forced to pick younger to try and stay competitive. The young guys wont always pan out and there are injuries, but you should still be able to stay competitive as long as everyone gets a balanced roster by drafting evenly. If you already have 6 players from last year and I lost a lot and have 3, you are at an advantage already. Ok, you drafted that way or got lucky, thats the game. Then if we both get to draft from the pool from the very top what is the likelihood that I will be able to compete with you when you can still get the very elite players that I can and I then have to fill out my roster, some will be starters, with the bottom of the barrel?

Two ways to remain fair for everyone in a keeper league. Remember the snake draft should only be in effect for this season and the subsequent seasons should be drafted by order of the previous finish.

A- Kept players count as draft picks the beginning of the next season.

B- Everyone keeps the same amount of players, or can only keep the same amount of players from the previous season. Then draft completely open the following season.

Been playing in a keeper for 12 years. The first couple of seasons we changed things around trying to fine tune it. The best way to keep this competitive and not have serious turnover is Plan A.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1211941; said:
Whose roster is going to be almost bare?
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It was hypothetical but possible.

Lets say we're in our 3rd season and I now have a "kept" team of superstars of Jrs and Srs.

You have a very competitive team with a mix of all classes. We play in final together and I win. After the season all 4 of my seniors are gone and 3 of my starting Jrs declare. You only have one or 2 players graduate or leave early. Obviously my players were good enough to keep since they are superstars and now they've paid off. I lose 7 players you lose 2 from the "Superbowl". I now have 2 players on my roster the next season you your 7. We draft the next season and you get to draft at the top of the draft since we arent counting kept players as draftpicks and you have an entire starting roster after 2 rounds. It takes me another 5 rounds to fill my starters while you are adding the same quality of players to your bench. I virtually have no chance of being competitive against you that following season. This is called Mortgaging the season in fantasy terms. I mortgaged the entire next season for one winning one and then hope that the young guys I picked will pan out the following season else I'm noncompetitive yet again two seasons after winning.

This scenario can happen to anyone and its not always that you drafted poorly or more superior to everyone else. Its not like the pros when players get traded they're still in the league and can be used. If injury or early entry or, God forbid jail occurs, you can become noncompetitive for years. Who wants to play that way when theres little or no chance of winning? At least if you count kept players as draft picks you get to have some semblance of a chance to be good in multiple years. Any team can rebuild from one year to the next after our inaugural season. I dont like the mortgage idea. Too many people will get tired of losing in a noncompetitive league. Thats my opinion, having watched it happen over and over again.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
It was hypothetical but possible.

Lets say we're in our 3rd season and I now have a "kept" team of superstars of Jrs and Srs.

You have a very competitive team with a mix of all classes. We play in final together and I win. After the season all 4 of my seniors are gone and 3 of my starting Jrs declare. You only have one or 2 players graduate or leave early. Obviously my players were good enough to keep since they are superstars and now they've paid off. I lose 7 players you lose 2 from the "Superbowl". I now have 2 players on my roster the next season you your 7. We draft the next season and you get to draft at the top of the draft since we arent counting kept players as draftpicks and you have an entire starting roster after 2 rounds. It takes me another 5 rounds to fill my starters while you are adding the same quality of players to your bench. I virtually have no chance of being competitive against you that following season. This is called Mortgaging the season in fantasy terms. I mortgaged the entire next season for one winning one and then hope that the young guys I picked will pan out the following season else I'm noncompetitive yet again two seasons after winning.

This scenario can happen to anyone and its not always that you drafted poorly or more superior to everyone else. Its not like the pros when players get traded they're still in the league and can be used. If injury or early entry or, God forbid jail occurs, you can become noncompetitive for years. Who wants to play that way when theres little or no chance of winning? At least if you count kept players as draft picks you get to have some semblance of a chance to be good in multiple years. Any team can rebuild from one year to the next after our inaugural season. I dont like the mortgage idea. Too many people will get tired of losing in a noncompetitive league. Thats my opinion, having watched it happen over and over again.
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That's your problem for drafting/keeping only JRs and SRs.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this scenario at all.
 
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I'm not sure I understand your argument, BN27. Each player gets to CHOOSE who they keep. Obviously, you're only going to choose to keep your superstars who are going to return. These players are early-round caliber players. If you get to keep three all-americans, and then still draft three more all-americans with your first three picks, what chance does anyone else have? My system is going to re-start, so I'll continue this later.
 
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The scary part is I see both sides of the argument and I don't mind either one.

On one side (BN and losing late round picks). It rewards players for choosing wisely and picking stud young players. And punishes players that go for it all in one year having Seniors/Juniors (where the juniors leave early). Just like real college football. If you are a senior laden team you expect to take a step back the next season.

The other side (losing early round picks). It keeps things competitive by allowing players that lose alot of players to restock their team. Also adds more strategy on who you keep because of the draft implications. "Can you wait on that stud freshman QB you drafted for one more year?" On the flip side it punishes teams that went young the year before since they will keep more players and thus not draft when there is still talent available. But then again you might already have a core of great players so really... how many more players do you need?
 
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