BP should cool it on trollers

[osugrad21]

Obviously many who actually matter feel that McNeiling is in our best interest.

At times, I see a value in it. Other times, I feel as if it is overplayed. If you are asking for a compromise, I agree.

 

[BuckNutty]

Trollers should cool it on BP

 

[AKAK]

Effing Trollers.

Look out, its the USS Shetuck:

 

[Gatorubet]

Effing Trollers.

You're gonna need a bigger boat...

 

[sandgk]

FIFY





What's not ironic, even a little predictable, is the types of trolls we get.

1. Type I: Trey McNeil is the prototype. His team is irrelevant, so he goes and trolls someone whose team isn't irrelevant. Our TSUN friend fits pretty well, but also fits farther down the list. The nastiest type and most deserving of the eponymous treatment.
2. Type II: Bandwagon fan. I remember one UofF fan that didn't manage to find the site until 8 months after the game against her? team. The most obnoxious type.
3. Type III: Drunk guy. Usually posts only during the game or immediately after. Never seen again.
4. Type IV: Penn State guy is the prototype. Talks all kinds of shit when his team wins. Acts like they're undefeated in the history of forever. Nowhere to be seen when their team is irrelevant, which is more often than not for Penn State guy. This type is by far the most cowardly.
5. Type V: The anti-type-IV -- Our latest TSUN has defined a new category. Only appears when his team is at its LOWEST. Instead of just tearing your team down, he talks up his team at a time when there is the least to say about it. This type truly is 8 octaves of dumbass. A symphony of stupid.

Pathetic all


But they have one thing in common


Deep down - They wish their team had half the tradition, facilities, recruiting base, coach, history and current success of The Ohio State University Football Program.

I think this provides the best categorization of a troll I've seen anywhere. We might use this to pigeon-hole offenders - don't know if it is useful for deciding if or when to lock and load on a troll.

Since the most infamous example of these trolls came from a douchebag, jackhole, drunkass sisterfuckin' SEC fan - it seems only natural that I contribute to the thread.

Oh - I know McNeiling comes from a Vol fan - but honestly, he wasn't the worst.

I think the "McNeil treatment" should be reserved for repeat trollers only.
People who've tried they're zany hijinks, gotten banned and still feel necessary to do their thing.

I'd say that kind of two strikes and you are out notion works on say, a Scout board. When the "McNeil" treatment is meted out isn't based (in my view) on how many times someone is banned because it happens before that point. To McNeil or not to McNeil comes from how idiotic and repeated the behavior is on their first try.

I also feel that under no circumstances should an individuals employer be contacted.

Your employer was contacted in connection with this post

 

[BB73]

Give me a break, this board was built on ripping people who got out of line. If people come here and troll and have their own personal info. on the web, then they have nothing to whine about and are fair game.

BP can handle itself and doesn't need sweet bbq swilling, rent-a-lawyers providing legal advice.

Thump has an 'ump' inside it. Coincidence?

 

[shetuck]

I think this provides the best categorization of a troll I've seen anywhere. We might use this to pigeon-hole offenders - don't know if it is useful for deciding if or when to lock and load on a troll...

I said this to DBB in an off-line comment... I've always maintained that there is (are) a very particular "internet personality profile" (for lack of a better phrase) that peg genuine trolls - a "genuine troll" being somebody who comes meaning to stir up trouble or ruffle feathers, etc., as opposed to a newb who just doesn't know how to conduct themselves properly and winds up stepping on too many toes (like a few of our lovable Illini supporters). I guess those "profile markers" are what jump out at me with many of these characters.

I'd say that kind of two strikes and you are out notion works on say, a Scout board. When the "McNeil" treatment is meted out isn't based (in my view) on how many times someone is banned because it happens before that point. To McNeil or not to McNeil comes from how idiotic and repeated the behavior is on their first try.

This is an interesting thing that I haven't been able to strictly define (for myself). I've had different people use different criteria as different times. It appears that a lot of it has to do with whatever else might be going on at the time. Jwins and I were talking about this yesterday in the context of where should lines be drawn in the future and how can we know, beforehand, that things are going to get out hand... what I was saying is that it's difficult to draw a line, at least for me. Here's what I shared with him in a PM:

...I was just going along laughing at his ridiculous posts and everybody's responses and then at some point some kind of alarm bell went off in my gut and I decided to go and see if I could find anything on him and voila!

It was his arrogance, combined with a brazen (but obviously hollow) attack. The arrogance, I'm used to with TSUN fans and grads. The brazenness (starting with his avatar) was what kept niggling at me saying this guy doesn't know what/who he's playing around with.

It's tough to put it into words... There's something in my gut that gets roiled up when I sense that we're dealing with a real troll. It's a rushing feeling I get in my chest... like bitter adrenaline. There have been a number of these visitors that I've backed off from because they just didn't seem *real*.

Maybe we need PS1985 to come back and advise us on the efficacy of our troll response!

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

This type truly is 8 octaves of dumbass. A symphony of stupid.

More descriptive terms have never been written.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

No shame in giving a damn

Unless it's for the whole state of M*ch*gan

8 octaves of dumbass. A symphony of stupid.

 

[methomps]

I tend to agree with JXC, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because these threads are almost always hilarious and the bastards usually deserve everything they get. The ultimate problem is the cost of damn lawyers. I don't know whether a lawsuit by any of these trolls would ever succeed in getting a judgment against BP, but I think the case would have enough merit to force Clarity to either settle or spend a lot in lawyerin' fees (goodbye Spring Drive).

I see the bar analogy and the "its all public info" appeal as being unpersuasive, sadly. The difference is that these BP executions don't get started without mod/admin intervention. Somebody with access to the troll's registration info usually has to post that info for these things to get rolling. That is conduct by an agent of BP, and its the crucial link in establishing liability. As far as the "blame the people who actually do the harassing" argument, there is also the issue of whether BP fosters or allows this harrassing atmosphere to develop. I think there is a legitimate argument that such an atmosphere is fostered. I feel it as I'm reading the first couple pages of those threads. People encouraging others to find stuff, celebrating when the myspace info comes out, etc. And it is hard to say that BP takes no responsibility for the content of what is posted because that simply isn't true. BP actively polices every other thread.

I wish it were otherwise because I love the tradition and the fun, but I think BP is taking a big risk with these threads. The biggest problem is the posting of registration info. Now,if by chance the troller accidently listed his email in his profile page (or at least if there was a he-said, she-said argument as to who put it there coupled with an inconclusive log of admin activity), that might make it a harder case against BP. In a just world, the trollers would always take their beatings like men and move on. But nothing about a troll's makeup suggests this will always happen. Quite the opposite, probably, as they seem more likely to go crying to mommy or their local attorney-at-law.

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[Fungo Squiggly]

I tend to agree with JXC, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because these threads are almost always hilarious and the bastards usually deserve everything they get. The ultimate problem is the cost of damn lawyers. I don't know whether a lawsuit by any of these trolls would ever succeed in getting a judgment against BP, but I think the case would have enough merit to force Clarity to either settle or spend a lot in lawyerin' fees (goodbye Spring Drive).

I see the bar analogy and the "its all public info" appeal as being unpersuasive, sadly. The difference is that these BP executions don't get started without mod/admin intervention. Somebody with access to the troll's registration info usually has to post that info for these things to get rolling. That is conduct by an agent of BP, and its the crucial link in establishing liability. As far as the "blame the people who actually do the harassing" argument, there is also the issue of whether BP fosters or allows this harrassing atmosphere to develop. I think there is a legitimate argument that such an atmosphere is fostered. I feel it as I'm reading the first couple pages of those threads. People encouraging others to find stuff, celebrating when the myspace info comes out, etc. And it is hard to say that BP takes no responsibility for the content of what is posted because that simply isn't true. BP actively polices every other thread.

I wish it were otherwise because I love the tradition and the fun, but I think BP is taking a big risk with these threads. The biggest problem is the posting of registration info. Now,if by chance the troller accidently listed his email in his profile page (or at least if there was a he-said, she-said argument as to who put it there coupled with an inconclusive log of admin activity), that might make it a harder case against BP. In a just world, the trollers would always take their beatings like men and move on. But nothing about a troll's makeup suggests this will always happen. Quite the opposite, probably, as they seem more likely to go crying to mommy or their local attorney-at-law.

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What's your e-mail, methomps?

 

[methomps]

What's your e-mail, methomps?

[email protected]

 

[BUCKYLE]

[email protected]

Let's get to it guys!

I'll do the prank calls.

 

[sandgk]

I tend to agree with JXC, unfortunately. I say unfortunately because these threads are almost always hilarious and the bastards usually deserve everything they get. The ultimate problem is the cost of damn lawyers. I don't know whether a lawsuit by any of these trolls would ever succeed in getting a judgment against BP, but I think the case would have enough merit to force Clarity to either settle or spend a lot in lawyerin' fees (goodbye Spring Drive).

I see the bar analogy and the "its all public info" appeal as being unpersuasive, sadly. The difference is that these BP executions don't get started without mod/admin intervention. Somebody with access to the troll's registration info usually has to post that info for these things to get rolling. That is conduct by an agent of BP, and its the crucial link in establishing liability. As far as the "blame the people who actually do the harassing" argument, there is also the issue of whether BP fosters or allows this harrassing atmosphere to develop. I think there is a legitimate argument that such an atmosphere is fostered. I feel it as I'm reading the first couple pages of those threads. People encouraging others to find stuff, celebrating when the myspace info comes out, etc. And it is hard to say that BP takes no responsibility for the content of what is posted because that simply isn't true. BP actively polices every other thread.

I wish it were otherwise because I love the tradition and the fun, but I think BP is taking a big risk with these threads. The biggest problem is the posting of registration info. Now,if by chance the troller accidently listed his email in his profile page (or at least if there was a he-said, she-said argument as to who put it there coupled with an inconclusive log of admin activity), that might make it a harder case against BP. In a just world, the trollers would always take their beatings like men and move on. But nothing about a troll's makeup suggests this will always happen. Quite the opposite, probably, as they seem more likely to go crying to mommy or their local attorney-at-law.

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Farking spoil-sport Trojan Trol - jest kidding - :tongue2:

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Agree with methomps. It seems that we already have quite a collection of trophies hanging on the wall. To hunt for even more would at some point invite a backlash.