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Bobby Bowden (dadgummit)

I'm sure BillMac could indeed provide some insight here.

If you want to know how people in Tallahassee are talking about this situation...


They aren't.

There was a time when they all cared deeply about Bobby beating Paterno for most wins ever; but now that it's certain to not happen, Jimbo Fisher is the only FSU coach on their minds.

Bobby went from the most revered man in town to someone they don't care enough about to bother erasing his name from the history books.

Gatorubet;1752284; said:
Not true. He refused to retire. He put his own interests ahead of the program. He forced FSU to hire his son as offensive coordinator (despite the nepotism policy prohibiting it), and Jeffy ran it into the ground, getting worse every year:

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Even though any other OC would have been gone, Bowden refused to fire him, and even said that he did not have to listen to the fans, as he had earned the right to do what he wanted. Eventually, Bowden - instead of firing Jeffy - forced the cash strapped program to pay his son $500K as a severance bonus for having the worst OC in the ACC.

What Bowden did was think that he was above the program, above the rules, and above criticism. He found out that he was wrong, and his ignoring the academic wrongdoing in his program could have been even worse, except that the NCAA knew that crushing the Bowden win legacy was a greater hit than the actual schollie restrictions. The NCAA said that they went light on scholly reductions because they took the wins away. Bowden made them appeal the NCAA penalty, even though it might have resulted in greater scholly reductions if FSU had gotten an appeal to lift the win vacations, as the appeal - if successful - would ahve allowed the NCAA to impose greater sanctions against FSU. Boddy did not care about FSU, he cared about his wins. FSU dumped about 300K into the losing appeal.

He is lucky they did not set him on fire and throw him in the trash. The only thing Bobby cared about is Bobby, and Bobby only cared about his wins. Once it was clear that FSU was harmed by his continued coaching, he ignored all subtle attmepts to get him to leave, as he wanted to beat JoPa. When it became clear that FSU's interest was an afterthought to Bobbah - they launched him when the Bobby opposition and lost ticket sales and Booster donations by him staying reached a tipping point.

He could have had a Grand Send Off - but refused it year after year. So the debacle that was his send off, with his wife bad mouthing FSU, was really only his own arrogance and pride going karma on his ass.

You need Billmac to give you a better and less partisan version, but if it was anything, the farthest thing from it was a poor-mistreated Bobby deal.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1752302; said:
I'm sure BillMac could indeed provide some insight here.

billmac91;1609450; said:
It's been way overdue...I think those close to the program have known that for a very long time. All it has been about, say the last 5 years, is the career wins and beating out Joe Pa. The academic scandel has laid that to rest, so why continue with just over .500 win seasons if there is no end game?

The Jeff Bowden fiasco was a joke...as Gator pointed out, FSU boosters paid half a mil to make him go away. Keep in mind, Jeffy's contract was up that off-season. It's actually hard to wrap your head around...they paid Jeffy $500,000 to walk away and not accept an extension Bobby was going to give him. By the way, I wonder where Jeffy is today? I'm surprised nobody picked up that creative genious.

As a sidenote, for anyone who has had the pleasure of watching the Bobby Bowden call-in show, it is an absolute trainwreck. And I haven't watched in 4 years, but it can't be any better. Bobby often confuses current players with guys from the 1980's, and more often than not, just refers to players by jersey number as to not embarass himself. Gene Deckeroff (host of the show) has become masterful at not making Bobby look completly clueless....speculative on my part, but I truly think Bobby has had dementia over the years. I guess I never saw the point of having a man just stand on the sidelines, without a headset on, and let his coordinators do all the work, but then sit back and collect the wins.

It's time for a Head Coach on the sidelines...whether Jimbo is the right man remains to be seen, but I look forward to seeing someone who can actually follow the game be the true leader.

He already has. :wink2:
 
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ScriptOhio;1799296; said:
in 2003 - Bobby Bowden (Florida State) became the winningest coach in major college football history with his 339th victory.

Well that didn't last too long did it?

It's gonna last a long time now, dadgummit!!!

377 > 298
 
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Among guys of this generation that can break Bobby Bowden's record, Urban Meyer is out there, but so is Lane Kiffin, unfortunately. We all know Urban can sustain a momentum with a heck of a lot of wins, but it still remains to be seen whether Lane Kiffin can sustain such a momentum.
 
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ant80;2183581; said:
Among guys of this generation that can break Bobby Bowden's record, Urban Meyer is out there, but so is Lane Kiffin, unfortunately. We all know Urban can sustain a momentum with a heck of a lot of wins, but it still remains to be seen whether Lane Kiffin can sustain such a momentum.


I would say Lane Kiffin is probably a stronger candidate for vacating wins at some point than catching Bobbuh.
 
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Buck Nasty;2183585; said:
I would say Lane Kiffin is probably a stronger candidate for vacating wins at some point than catching Bobbuh.

Well, in Kiffin's defense, he at least acknowledges that he was an idiot putting on an act because he figured that's what he was supposed to do in teh S-E-C(!!!).

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...t-lane-kiffin-is-not-the-jerk-you-think-he-is

Kiffin was feeling good about his recruiting class that spring, and he crowed to a bunch of Vols fans about the one he pilfered from Florida, Nu'Keese Richardson, who switched to Tennessee even though, Kiffin told the crowd, "Urban [tried] to cheat and still didn't get him."

Turns out, Kiffin was wrong. Meyer was no cheater. The violation Kiffin thought Meyer had committed? Calling Richardson's cell phone when Richardson was on an official visit to Tennessee? That wasn't a violation. So Kiffin tried to reach Meyer to apologize. Tried two or three times, left voice messages, never got a return call. That was 2009.

Meyer took the job at Ohio State this past November, and Kiffin tried to call again. Tennessee was long gone -- he had been at Southern California for two years -- but Kiffin tried again. He wanted to make it right. He called Meyer's cell phone and left another message.

Hey, it's Lane Kiffin. I was an idiot a few years back, but I'm happy for you. Congratulations.

This time, Meyer called him back.

"He was very understanding," Kiffin says. "I think we're good now."
 
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ant80;2183581; said:
Among guys of this generation that can break Bobby Bowden's record, Urban Meyer is out there, but so is Lane Kiffin, unfortunately. We all know Urban can sustain a momentum with a heck of a lot of wins, but it still remains to be seen whether Lane Kiffin can sustain such a momentum.


will Meyer stick around this game long enough to catch that record though?

he'll need to average 10 wins a year for the next 27 1/2 years just to tie Bowden.

he's already 48.
will he keep coaching into his mid-70s?
 
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Nutriaitch;2183787; said:
will Meyer stick around this game long enough to catch that record though?

he'll need to average 10 wins a year for the next 27 1/2 years just to tie Bowden.

he's already 48.
will he keep coaching into his mid-70s?

Good one. He won't need that long with the 18 consecutive national championships he's going to win after this year.

But seriously, barring a massive expansion of the playoff system, this record is going to stand for a long time.
Kiffin may coach long enough, but that just gives him more opportunities to get caught doing something extraordinarily stupid. I'd take that bet any day.
 
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I grew up a FSU fan, so i'm biased about Bobby being the wins leader. As to who can break his record, Urban is one of the favorite. I could see Richt, maybe, if he doesn't get fired. Please don't kill me, but Brett Bielma could. He's in a good situation, unless Wisky implodes, plus he's only 42
 
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