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Bobby Bowden (dadgummit)

Words of Wisdom From Bowden

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Florida State vacates 12 football wins in scandal

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)?Florida State University says it will vacate a 2007 bowl victory and 11 regular season football wins, along with dozens more across 10 men?s and women?s sports, because of NCAA sanctions.
The school announced which wins would be vacated in a memorandum to the NCAA on Sunday. Last month, the governing body for college sports upheld a previous decision to strip the school of victories in which 61 athletes involved in an academic cheating scandal had participated.

Also vacated were 22 men?s basketball wins in 2006-07; 16 women?s basketball victories in that season and six in the next; and several placings in track and field, swimming, cross country and golf.
The football wins came under former coach Bobby Bowden, who amassed the second-most wins in college football history.


Daggummit!!
 
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BB73;1635153; said:
Bobbah, congrats on the bowl win, the [strike] 389th [/strike] 375th of youir career.

The NCAA Infractions Comittee has upheld the sanctions in FSU's academic cheating scandal, which vacates 14 wins that Bowden had in 2006 and 2007.

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They only vacated 12 wins, not 14.

Strike that 375 and make it 377.

Daggummit.
 
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CalvinistBuck;1751978; said:
Preview of Bowden interview to be published in Sporting News:

Bobby Bowden: 'They promised me one more year' - College Football - Rivals.com

From the article:

Not one person came by his office to say goodbye. When asked if he received a Rolex watch or a cake when he left, Bowden replied, "They gave me a suitcase."

Does this say more about Bowden or the FSU admin?
To me, it says no matter how successful you are, maybe you shouldn't linger 7-8 years too long and run your program into the ground. It wasn't just his fall on the field, he had a lot of issues off it too. He really tainted his legacy.
 
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NFBuck;1751995; said:
To me, it says no matter how successful you are, maybe you shouldn't linger 7-8 years too long and run your program into the ground. It wasn't just his fall on the field, he had a lot of issues off it too. He really tainted his legacy.

I guess you'd argue it says more about the man.

Can't fault your analysis. Paterno almost did the same thing.
 
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southcampus;1752016; said:
Yep. Hell, JT could go 9-3 for 3 seasons in a row and people would be calling for his retirement as well.
Sad but true. Fortunately, I think most would agree JT has higher ambitions and won't be one to linger. We need to enjoy him while we still have him because he's given us a golden era of Buckeye football.
 
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CalvinistBuck;1751978; said:
Preview of Bowden interview to be published in Sporting News:

Bobby Bowden: 'They promised me one more year' - College Football - Rivals.com

From the article:

Not one person came by his office to say goodbye. When asked if he received a Rolex watch or a cake when he left, Bowden replied, "They gave me a suitcase."

Does this say more about Bowden or the FSU admin?

Know someone who played for Bobbeh (walk-on, non-factor player back in the 80s) who is still pretty close to the program. From what he has told me about the situation, it says more about the FSU admin than the man. He was run off plain and simple, and they didn't even give him the chance to retire gracefully. From what I understand about the whole thing, it is a bit similar to the Earle Bruce firing.
 
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I don't know. FSU definately could have handled it better, but looking at it from their point of view, the man wasn't going to leave on his own. They saw the ship sinking further and further and acted on it. Maybe Jimbo was getting impatient and they realized waiting any longer would risk losing their coach in waiting. I don't have much sympathy for Bobbah in this situation.
 
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NFBuck;1752038; said:
I don't know. FSU definately could have handled it better, but looking at it from their point of view, the man wasn't going to leave on his own. They saw the ship sinking further and further and acted on it. Maybe Jimbo was getting impatient and they realized waiting any longer would risk losing their coach in waiting. I don't have much sympathy for Bobbah in this situation.


Please, please don't interpret this as a knock on the Big 10.

But if we're tossing around predicitions, I'd wager FSU's in a better place 5 years from now for getting rid of Bowden (and looking bad in the process), then letting him dangle and keep guessing on his mind/abilities (like Penn State and Paterno).
 
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BigWoof31;1752051; said:
Please, please don't interpret this as a knock on the Big 10.

But if we're tossing around predicitions, I'd wager FSU's in a better place 5 years from now for getting rid of Bowden (and looking bad in the process), then letting him dangle and keep guessing on his mind/abilities (like Penn State and Paterno).
I don't disagree. At this point, it's clear Paterno is little more than a figurehead. Watch him in a game, he does little more than wander up and down the sidelines occasionally pestering the officials. It's been that way for a few years now. The game decisions have been ceded to his assistants at this point. He's more spectator/mascot than coach. Unfortunately for PSU, everytime the calls for him to step down and allow them to bring in an actual HC bubble up, they rattle off an 11 win season, making it harder to force him out.
 
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buxfan4life;1752029; said:
Know someone who played for Bobbeh (walk-on, non-factor player back in the 80s) who is still pretty close to the program. From what he has told me about the situation, it says more about the FSU admin than the man. He was run off plain and simple, and they didn't even give him the chance to retire gracefully. From what I understand about the whole thing, it is a bit similar to the Earle Bruce firing.
Not true. He refused to retire. He put his own interests ahead of the program. He forced FSU to hire his son as offensive coordinator (despite the nepotism policy prohibiting it), and Jeffy ran it into the ground, getting worse every year:

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Even though any other OC would have been gone, Bowden refused to fire him, and even said that he did not have to listen to the fans, as he had earned the right to do what he wanted. Eventually, Bowden - instead of firing Jeffy - forced the cash strapped program to pay his son $500K as a severance bonus for having the worst OC in the ACC.

What Bowden did was think that he was above the program, above the rules, and above criticism. He found out that he was wrong, and his ignoring the academic wrongdoing in his program could have been even worse, except that the NCAA knew that crushing the Bowden win legacy was a greater hit than the actual schollie restrictions. The NCAA said that they went light on scholly reductions because they took the wins away. Bowden made them appeal the NCAA penalty, even though it might have resulted in greater scholly reductions if FSU had gotten an appeal to lift the win vacations, as the appeal - if successful - would ahve allowed the NCAA to impose greater sanctions against FSU. Boddy did not care about FSU, he cared about his wins. FSU dumped about 300K into the losing appeal.

He is lucky they did not set him on fire and throw him in the trash. The only thing Bobby cared about is Bobby, and Bobby only cared about his wins. Once it was clear that FSU was harmed by his continued coaching, he ignored all subtle attmepts to get him to leave, as he wanted to beat JoPa. When it became clear that FSU's interest was an afterthought to Bobbah - they launched him when the Bobby opposition and lost ticket sales and Booster donations by him staying reached a tipping point.

He could have had a Grand Send Off - but refused it year after year. So the debacle that was his send off, with his wife bad mouthing FSU, was really only his own arrogance and pride going karma on his ass.

You need Billmac to give you a better and less partisan version, but if it was anything, the farthest thing from it was a poor-mistreated Bobby deal.
 
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