Big Ten Conference Divisions

[zwem]

If the Big Ten bends over for some [censored]ing 80+ year old coach. For Penn State Joe Pa is a big deal and they owe him a lot. The Big Ten owes him nothing. Hell I don't mean to be callous but whats the chances he's even alive in November of 2011? Or at the very least in any condition to coach football?

Joe Pa will still be the coach even when he is dead. I'm sure Penn St. will just dig his coffin up, put it on the sidelines, and "let" the coordinators take care of the play calling. Bank it for 500 wins soon.

 

[buckeye4ever47]

Divisions?

I honestly don't really like divisions. With divisions something always seems to cause some sort of argument. Divisions could help out the B10 but I think that the best route would be to just junk it. :osu:

 

[Tlangs]

I honestly don't really like divisions. With divisions something always seems to cause some sort of argument. Divisions could help out the B10 but I think that the best route would be to just junk it. :osu:

please explain

 

[buckeyesin07]

My order of preference for OSU-UM divisional alignment:

1. OSU and UM in same division, play exactly once every season
2. OSU and UM in different division, play only if both make it to the championship game
3. OSU and UM in different divsion, play once every year and again if both make it to the championship game

It's disgusting to me that the Big Ten is seemingly willing to destroy the significance of the best rivalry in college football, all for a few more dollars for everyone. Sad.

 

[Tlangs]

My order of preference for OSU-UM divisional alignment:

1. OSU and UM in same division, play exactly once every season
2. OSU and UM in different division, play only if both make it to the championship game
3. OSU and UM in different divsion, play once every year and again if both make it to the championship game

It's disgusting to me that the Big Ten is seemingly willing to destroy the significance of the best rivalry in college football, all for a few more dollars for everyone. Sad.

#2 is the absolute dumbest thing I have ever read in my life

 

[muffler dragon]

There is a lot of truth here as JoPa wanted to create a OSU/PSU rivalry and wants to preserve what there is of it at this point. The man still has a lot of power. This may have worked against him though as we seem to be stealing top players from under him with regularity, now.

If the Big Ten bends over for some fucking 80+ year old coach. For Penn State Joe Pa is a big deal and they owe him a lot. The Big Ten owes him nothing. Hell I don't mean to be callous but whats the chances he's even alive in November of 2011? Or at the very least in any condition to coach football?

I don't understand this thought either, Taos. IMO, Joe Pa doesn't have an ounce of power. What's his leverage? Bitch on TV?

 

[MaliBuckeye]

My proposal earlier on this thread:

Big Ten Division Creator v2 | TheoryNine

Grades out much higher then the one that Zwem is hearing

East/West is the only one grading out as an "A".

Too bad they don't have a "ways to make more money" factor in the equation...

 

[SloopyHangOn]

East/West is the only one grading out as an "A".

Too bad they don't have a "ways to make more money" factor in the equation...

East/West:
Nebraska/Ohio State
Iowa/Michigan
Wisconsin/Michigan State
Illinois/Penn State
Northwestern/Indiana
Minnesota/Purdue

Competitiveness: B+ (70)
Rivalries: A (90)
Geography A+ (100)

North/South:
Nebraska/Ohio State
Iowa/Penn State
Wisconsin/Northwestern
Minnesota/Illinois
Michigan/Indiana
Michigan State/Purdue

Competitiveness: B+ (74)
Rivalries: A+ (97)
Goegraphy: B (68)

This is why I'm a fan of the North/South divisions.

You get better competitiveness (if only by a slim margin), but you protect nearly EVERY single important rivalry WITHIN divisions except for Ohio State/Michigan, and if that game is protected out of division, even if it's played in October, you almost get a perfect score in terms of rivalries.

The only reason East/West is grading out better is because it's perfect in geographical terms, the least of the factors, imo.

 

[Bleed S & G]

You get better competitiveness (if only by a slim margin), but you protect nearly EVERY single important rivalry WITHIN divisions except for Ohio State/Michigan, and if that game is protected out of division, even if it's played in October, you almost get a perfect score in terms of rivalries.

The only reason East/West is grading out better is because it's perfect in geographical terms, the least of the factors, imo.

What the [censored] ever.

Like it or not, Ohio State/M*ch*g*n is the largest rivalry in College Football (arguably in all of sports) so I can give a [censored] less if this alignment saves other "important" rivalries. What ever happened to the Big 2, Little 8?

Bunch of [censored]ing pussies at Ohio State and scUM if they allow this Game to be moved.

 

[Buckeye513]

You get better competitiveness (if only by a slim margin), but you protect nearly EVERY single important rivalry WITHIN divisions except for Ohio State/Michigan

You protect every single important rivalry...except for the biggest one in the sport.

Sorry, no one cares about "protecting" Michigan/Minnesota.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Oh, and here are the divisions that zwem said he's seeing.

Div A/Div B
Nebraska/Ohio State
Iowa/Penn State
Minnesota/Purdue
Michigan State/Indiana
Michigan/Northwestern
Illinois/Wisconsin

Competitiveness: A (89)
Rivalries: C- (33)
Geography: C (42)

So the idea here is that you sacrifice both Rivalries and Geography for the sake of Competitiveness.

Now, I didn't read how the algorithm on that website works, or what factors go into these grades but if they're anywhere near credible it seems stupid to me that the powers that be would be willing to put together what might be the WORST alignment for rivalries simply to make each division "more competitive".

If these divisions are correct and Geography wasn't going to be a factor in their decision (and I see no way that it could be with this alignment), then why not at least preserve as many rivalries as possible? The North/South division protects just about everything (including Ohio State/Michigan out of division) and even scores better geographically. Sure you take a hit when it comes to Competitiveness, but it would seem to me that you would serve to spark more interest and make more money if the gap between grades in Competitiveness and Rivalries was much closer.

An A+/B+ in Rivalries/Competitiveness seems to be of MUCH greater value than a C-/A.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

What the [censored] ever.

Like it or not, Ohio State/M*ch*g*n is the largest rivalry in College Football (arguably in all of sports) so I can give a [censored] less if this alignment saves other "important" rivalries. What ever happened to the Big 2, Little 8?

I don't blame you for feeling that way, but Jim Delany doesn't "Bleed S & G" he probably bleeds blue and is more interested in what's going to make the most money. It's becoming a bit of a tired argument that the ONLY thing that matters in ALL of the BigTen is whether or not Ohio State and Michigan play on the final Saturday of November.

Regardless of what we as Buckeye fans think (or feel) there ARE other programs in the conference and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bunch of [censored]ing pussies at Ohio State and scUM if they allow this Game to be moved.

...right

You protect every single important rivalry...except for the biggest one in the sport.

Sorry, no one cares about "protecting" Michigan/Minnesota.

In my mind "protect" means that the rivalry will still be played, not that it becomes immune to any changes. You know as well as I do that there is no chance in hell Ohio State and Michigan DON'T play each year.

Where did this "fuck everyone else, this is Ohio State's conference" mentality come from? We aren't Texas, thank God.

 

[JXC]

Why is this good for the gander? I don't have any idea how putting Mich and OSU in the same divison hurts ANYBODY. And competitive balance is a joke. Big 12 did that by splitting OU and Nebraska...wow, that sure worked out. Great competitve balance the Big 12 has had.

Just make the divisions based on region...everything else will work out. If we are going to a 9 game schedule anyway, then ur pretty much going to play everyone anyway, so who cares about competitive balance. Whether your division is the tougher one or not, the best team still is going to win the conference.

And actually, if you split it East/West, then this year the West would be stronger IMO. Neb, Iowa, Wisky. That's a lot more threatening than Mich, OSU, PSU. And even Northwestern should be good this year, probably as good as MSU.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Why is this good for the gander? I don't have any idea how putting Mich and OSU in the same divison hurts ANYBODY. And competitive balance is a joke. Big 12 did that by splitting OU and Nebraska...wow, that sure worked out. Great competitve balance the Big 12 has had.

Just make the divisions based on region...everything else will work out. If we are going to a 9 game schedule anyway, then ur pretty much going to play everyone anyway, so who cares about competitive balance. Whether your division is the tougher one or not, the best team still is going to win the conference.

And actually, if you split it East/West, then this year the West would be stronger IMO. Neb, Iowa, Wisky. That's a lot more threatening than Mich, OSU, PSU. And even Northwestern should be good this year, probably as good as MSU.

Considering our back and forth re: mid majors and playoffs, it pains me to agree with you. lol. +1 nonetheless.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Why is this good for the gander?

Splitting Ohio State and Michigan isn't necessarily better for anyone except the pockets of the big business guys. What I was saying was "good for the gander" is protecting as many rivalries as possible. Like it or not, Minnesota and Purdue still have fans, and if each of their major rivalry games weren't protected, I feel like that would not be beneficial for their programs.

I don't have any idea how putting Mich and OSU in the same divison hurts ANYBODY.

Neither do I and if I had my choice I'd rather them stay put. I just don't think it's the end of the world if they don't.

And competitive balance is a joke. Big 12 did that by splitting OU and Nebraska...wow, that sure worked out. Great competitve balance the Big 12 has had.

Just make the divisions based on region...everything else will work out. If we are going to a 9 game schedule anyway, then ur pretty much going to play everyone anyway, so who cares about competitive balance. Whether your division is the tougher one or not, the best team still is going to win the conference.

Agree, agree, agree. That's why I wouldn't mind a North/South split. Competition will foster itself when teams continue to play each other on a consistent basis. You can't "plan" for certain teams to always be equally as good (or as inferior) as their intra-divisional counterparts and with the 9 game schedule, you're going to have the best come out on top no matter what.

And actually, if you split it East/West, then this year the West would be stronger IMO. Neb, Iowa, Wisky. That's a lot more threatening than Mich, OSU, PSU. And even Northwestern should be good this year, probably as good as MSU.

Exactly, and if you look at the immediate future a North/South split seems to give you the best "running start" for the division in terms of whatever balance you can surmise.