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Big Ten Conference Divisions

BuckeyeSoldier;1757050; said:
This proposal makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Why would you break up not only UM and OSU but what seems like a perfect rivalry BLOCK in NU, Wiscy, Iowa, and Minny?

This division this should be so easy an amoeba can do it.

OSU
scUM
MSU
PU
IU
Ill

PSU
NU
UW
NW
Minn
Iowa

NW and Illinois can be protected
PSU and OSU can be protected
Scum and MInn can be protected

am I missing any other rivalries that would need protected? I guess you lose MSU/PSU but does either school even care?

You aren't greedy and foolish enough to throw away tradition for the very rare chance of a highly rate OSU-um rematch.

It would also make it easy to put nd in the west down the road. Um could play them annually but it has never been a road block to the rose bowl, so splitting them would be fine unlike The Game.

You could protect OSU-UW, PSU-Neb, UM-ND across divisions.
 
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CHU;1756884; said:
Yep, that decision is done.

Which is why the focus by the powers that be on discussing when the game will occur is little more than an end around to divert attention from the fact that they've already decided to destroy it's meaning by splitting the two teams.

Wait for the inevitable press releases talking about how they 'saved' it by keeping it the last game of the year.

Oh and just ignore the fact that cross divisional games don't count in the standings.

Thank you and have a nice day.
 
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Pat Forde weighs in:


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Ten biggest dolts

For all the interesting people in the game, there are a few who deserve a Dash diss for football-related stupidity:

...

Jim Delany (23), Big Ten Conference commissioner. Expanding the conference to 12 is fine. Relocating the league's greatest rivalry to midseason and reducing its value is not. Trifling with the tradition of Ohio State-Michigan has the potential to be a very dangerous move.
 
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Guess the fact that Gene Smith is booked on a number of radio shows Friday is all that you need to know that the Big Ten (Ohio State) need to be in PR mode after the decision is announced shortly.

The spin will be thick.

Buzzwords (by Delany, Smith and co.)
1) Long-term
2) Student-athletes
3) Negotiations have not begun
4) Traditions
5) Respect
 
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BuckeyeSoldier;1757050; said:
This proposal makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Why would you break up not only UM and OSU but what seems like a perfect rivalry BLOCK in NU, Wiscy, Iowa, and Minny?

This division this should be so easy an amoeba can do it.

OSU
scUM
MSU
PU
IU
Ill

PSU
NU
UW
NW
Minn
Iowa

NW and Illinois can be protected
PSU and OSU can be protected
Scum and MInn can be protected

am I missing any other rivalries that would need protected? I guess you lose MSU/PSU but does either school even care?

Hey, I agree that it makes no sense, but read the tea leaves:

--Clearly, there have been a number of conference officials that have said that OSU and UM won't be in the same division.

--Both Iowa and Wisconsin officials have verified that those two teams will not be in the same division.

--There is also Barry Alvarez who said within the past 24 hours that one long-standing rivalry will be protected within a division. The most obvious rivalry would be that with Minnesota (the oldest continuing running FBS rivalry, IRC).

--Iowa officials claiming that they are extremely happy with the outcome of the divisions. This has to be a result of being in the same division as Nebraska, as it will create an instant rivalry that will grab the attention of people outside the Midwest in a way that their game vs. Wisky doesn't. Nothing else makes sense. It probably also means that one or both of Illinois and NW are in the division, since Illinois provides about a third of U. Iowa's enrollment.

--I assume MSU and UM will be in the same division, since there would already be one cross-divisional protected rivalry for UM (OSU). I know UM doesn't consider their game with MSU to be much of a rivalry, but MSU sure does. As such, it seems unlikely that UM will have two cross-divisional protected rivalries.

--It is possible, I suppose, that OSU and Nebraska would be in the same division, but it's more likely that OSU and PSU will be paired, for much the same reason as why MSU and UM would be in the same division. Plus, I cannot imagine OSU being too happy with being separated from its two biggest rivals, while Um would be able to keep two of their three biggest rivals in their division. As such, OSU and PSU in the same division makes the most sense.

Put all this together, and you have Nebraska-Iowa-UM-MSU in one division and OSU-PSU-Wisconsin-Minnesota in another. I'd guess Illinois and NW would be in the first division, whereas Indiana and Purdue would be in the second, but that's just a guess.

Something else to keep in mind is that apparently the Big Ten is not yet done examining expansion. It seems to me that the only school the Big Ten would consider from west of Ohio at this point would be Notre Dame. Texas seems out now and none of the other possible Big XII schools have the necessary academic/athletic chops to get invited. Considering Notre Dame seems disinterested, that would leave eastern teams as the most likely additions in any future Big Ten expansion. If that ends up being the case, I suspect Minnesota would be the first to be shifted to the westernmost conference with an expansion to 14 teams, and with an expansion to 16 teams (again, all being from the east), Wisconsin could get shifted back as well. The result? A more of less even east-west split (yeah, I know Michigan lies mostly east of Indiana) that protects every rivalry game, save one. Unfortunately, that game is THE Game, but would it really surprise anyone if the Big Ten was thinking this way long-term?
 
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Hodgepodge;1757139; said:
Hey, I agree that it makes no sense, but read the tea leaves:

I apologize if I didn't come across clearly, I wasn't disputing that what you are saying is likely or what will happen. I was simply disputing the intelligence put forth in such a proposal. All my information on the matter has come from either this website or 1460... meaning all of my information on this matter has come from this website... so I don't doubt we are getting boned, just grumbling about the fact.
 
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BuckeyeSoldier;1757050; said:
This proposal makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Why would you break up not only UM and OSU but what seems like a perfect rivalry BLOCK in NU, Wiscy, Iowa, and Minny?

This division this should be so easy an amoeba can do it.

OSU
scUM
MSU
PU
IU
Ill

PSU
NU
UW
NW
Minn
Iowa

NW and Illinois can be protected
PSU and OSU can be protected
Scum and MInn can be protected

am I missing any other rivalries that would need protected? I guess you lose MSU/PSU but does either school even care?

PSU would be the ones blocking this plan, since thay would be so far away from each of the other schools in their division.
 
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Want to know why this is stunningly foolish? Cooper would've played for 4 CCGs in 95, 96, 97 & 98 despite those 3 heartbreaking losses, and finally beating them in 98 would have meant a rematch.
 
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Let's see how often OSU & UM would actually meet for the CCG, assuming the divisions are as follows (based on the tea leaves)

Woody Div - OSU, PSU, UW, Minn, Pur, IU
Bo Division - UM, MSU, NU, Iow, Ill, NW

09 - OSU - IOW
08 - PSU - MSU (rematch)
07 - OSU - ILL (rematch, ruining ILL's upset)
06 - OSU - UM (rematch, making the first win pointless)
05 - PSU - IOW
04 - WIS - UM
03 - OSU - UM (rematch, rendering first UM win useless, neither in NC hunt)
02 - OSU - IOW
01 - OSU - UM (rematch, and a laughable 7-5 participant)
00 - PUR - UM (rematch, sorry Pur, your first win didn't count)
99 - WIS - UM
98 - OSU - UM (oh coop, you finally beat UM? Too bad, do it again)
97 - OSU - UM (rematch :shake:)
96 - OSU - NU
95 - OSU - NU
94 - PSU - UM
93 - OSU - ILL (rematch, and ILL was only the 4th best overall)
92 - OSU - UM (rematch)
91 - IU - UM (rematch with a 7 win IU team? garbage)
90 - MSU - ILL

Yeah, it's worth ruining the game for 2-3 marquee OSU-UM CCGs per decade, which is only if Nebraska doesn't get in the way now.

Even if you do set up a few, you're stuck with some truly awful ones like PSU-MSU & PSU-IOW.
 
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I honestly still don't understand why divisions are even necessary.

Would it be that hard to get an amendment of the NCAA rules to say that a conference with 12 members can still have a CCG if the schedule is done in pool play taking the top 2 members in terms of record first, head-to-head second and BCS ranking third?

It's probably been discussed already though.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1757274; said:
"The most obvious rivalry would be that with Minnesota (the oldest continuing running FBS rivalry, IRC)." I think that belongs to Kansas Missouri, actually. BB73 will, no doubt, correct me if I'm wrong. :biggrin:

No doubt. :wink2:

The Border War has been played 118 times since 1891, missing only 1918.

Minny and Wiscy have played 119 times since 1890, missing only 1906.
 
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My thoughts:


It seems the conference is trying to hard to have this "competitive balance." Just divide everything at the Illinois/Indiana line.

Also there has been some internet chatter about the BTN announcing the alignment tomorrow.
 
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OH HSKR FAN;1757381; said:
Also there has been some internet chatter about the BTN announcing the alignment tomorrow.

No way, where? :huh:

HINYG8;1756970; said:
Rumor spreading on a couple of boards that the divisional splits for football have been determined and will be revealed during the BTN's season preview show tomorrow.

CHU;1757059; said:
Oh gosh, there is going to be a TV special about the divisions.

CHU;1757089; said:
Guess the fact that Gene Smith is booked on a number of radio shows Friday is all that you need to know that the Big Ten (Ohio State) need to be in PR mode after the decision is announced shortly.
 
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