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Max, my beef is he's putting OSU behind MSU and Purdue while most respected analysts are (if they are putting OSU behind them) moreso putting OSU beside them than behind them by giving the Bucks a similar national ranking. Brennan is saying MSU and Purdue can win a national title, while OSU cannot - that is completely unfair and a huge oversight for a supposedly objective blogger.

Best case = national title for OSU. Can't slice it any other way. You can objectively rate MSU and PU slightly ahead of OSU in the conference standings (I wouldn't), but when it comes to national standing, it's a virtual dead heat, and Brennan really shouldn't be calling MSU and PU the top tier, either, as OSU is absolutely worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as those to as the best teams in the league. They proved last year they deserved to be considered on par with PU and MSU when everyone had felt OSU was a tier below them in the preseason. Again, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me - that's another big part of why I have a beef with Brennan, he's making the same mistake twice when he could very easily not make the mistake. If he had said OSU's best case was winning a national title and that they were roughly on par with PU and MSU, I would not complain if he was rating MSU and PU ahead of OSU. Saying OSU is a second-tier team in the Big Ten & can't win a national title while PU and MSU can is what I take issue with - he didn't say that in as many words, but that's the implication of his best/worst case scenarios.

Here are the preseason rankings of Big Ten teams from the Sporting News:
1. MSU
3. Purdue
5. OSU
15. Illinois
18. Wisconsin
So a respected national publication has the Bucks basically right with those other two, with a ranking that teams that contend for national titles get. Again, this blogger (whose job if you read his work on the ESPN blog is reporting the news - he's not really a basketball analyst) shouldn't be putting OSU far behind MSU and Purdue, but that's exactly what he's done by saying PU and MSU can win a national title while OSU cannot.
Husky Men's Basketball Blog | UW ranked No. 23 in Sporting News preseason poll | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
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Not sure if this should go in the division alignment thread (in the football forum) or here.

Anyway, I really hope the alignment has no affect on the basketball schedule. If they follow the SEC or B12, it's an overall title but you play teams in your division twice and teams of the other division once.

MSU would walk to a title every year. I doubt the B10 would do that, but if they do I will be pissed.
 
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scott91575;1758172; said:
Not sure if this should go in the division alignment thread (in the football forum) or here.

Anyway, I really hope the alignment has no affect on the basketball schedule. If they follow the SEC or B12, it's an overall title but you play teams in your division twice and teams of the other division once.

MSU would walk to a title every year. I doubt the B10 would do that, but if they do I will be [censored]ed.
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No divisions for basketball because, as you stated, MSU will probably walk to a conference title every year. I thing it was tough enough in football to get some divisions with equity and it would be even harder in basketball because there just aren't enough quality teams top to bottom in the Big Ten.

I guess on down the road they might think about it reading the remarks from Delany below but the way he talks they would have to have another structure for basketball divisions and while he doesn't say it MSU sitting by itself would be very unfair.

The divisional alignment of the new, 12-team Big Ten will be for football only, it was announced tonight during the Big Ten Network special on which the divisions were unveiled.
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That likely means the 18-game men's basketball schedule will be preserved, with each team playing seven teams twice and four teams once.
Here are some of commissioner Jim Delany's comments from his teleconference tonight regarding basketball:


"I, personally, at this juncture, don?t see a compelling reason for divisions" in basketball. He said he could be swayed, though, if athletic directors and coaches felt differently....more
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No question about it (Hoops & Scoops: an OSU basketball blog)
 
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October 16, 2010
Hummel lost for the season
GoldandBlack.com staff

Purdue senior forward Robbie Hummel will miss the 2010-11 season after suffering a torn anterior cruciate ligament in practice on Saturday.

?This is obviously disappointing for Robbie, as well as our team, since he worked so hard to return from the tear he suffered in February,? Purdue head coach Matt Painter said. ?As he begins his rehab and recovery, we?ll persevere together and provide Robbie with all the support possible. I have no doubt he?ll continue to play a pivotal role this season as a leader of our team.?
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http://purdue.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1140041
 
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Sometimes with injuries, it's just funny in regards to bad luck or a recurrence of a past injury (David Lighty could be an example if bringing it back to OSU).

The good thing (if you can take one from the loss) is that Purdue had an opportunity to play without Hummel late in the season and in the tournament. So there's a little experience there.
 
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Got about 5 texts from Purdue and IU fans today. Big bummer for them. He's a great player and kid. Hate to see injuries to key players, though the Boilers should still have a decent squad. They're an Elite 8 team with Hummel, however.
 
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colobuck79;1793362; said:
Bummer. Likely the best player in the Big Ten. I loved to watch him play. :(
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I'm sorry for Hummel's sake, as this is unfortunate for him, but I would never choose him over Jared Sullinger. Sullinger should win Big Ten POY this season and he didn't/doesn't need anyone to be injured in order to be the best.
 
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DZ83CK;1794900; said:
I'm sorry for Hummel's sake, as this is unfortunate for him, but I would never choose him over Jared Sullinger. Sullinger should win Big Ten POY this season and he didn't/doesn't need anyone to be injured in order to be the best.
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I know that Jared is a very good player but I do not think he is going to be the Big Ten player of the year. Maybe, the newcomer of the year because both Michigan State and Purdue, not to mention Ohio State, have a couple good players that will be considered for the honor of POY.
 
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Big Ten preview: Spartans must be healthy
Jeff Goodman
Updated Nov 5, 2010

Robbie Hummel may be down, but the Big Ten is not.

Michigan State, Ohio State and Illinois are all legitimate Top 20 teams, and Purdue, which lost Hummel to another torn ACL in the preseason, still has two of the top 50 players in the country with guard E?Twaun Moore and big man JaJuan Johnson back.

Then, you?ve still got Tubby Smith?s Minnesota team and Bo Ryan?s Wisconsin Badgers ? two proven coaches who should somehow figure into the Big Ten race.

This is still arguably the top league in America.

BIG TEN PRESEASON PREDICTIONS

1. Michigan State: The Spartans were the walking wounded over the summer, and as long as everyone gets and stays healthy, Tom Izzo should be able to contend for another Final Four berth.

2. Ohio State: The Buckeyes have veterans David Lighty, Jon Diebler and William Buford back. Thad Matta lost Evan Turner, but he gained one of the best freshmen in Jared Sullinger.

3. Illinois: Bruce Weber has plenty of talent, experience and balance. The key, however, is leadership.

4. Minnesota: Smith has plenty of bigs, a talented wing in Rodney Williams and a quality backcourt with Devoe Joseph, Blake Hoffarber and Al Nolen.

5. Purdue: The loss of Hummel is a devastating blow, but the Boilermakers still have two of the nation?s best in Johnson and Moore.

6. Wisconsin: Never count out Ryan. Never. Jon Leuer is one of the nation?s most underrated big men, and Jordan Taylor should emerge this season as one of the league?s best guards.

7. Northwestern: Kevin Coble quit the team, but the Wildcats still have enough talent to go to the Big Dance with guys like John Shurna and Drew Crawford.

8. Indiana: The Hoosiers should be improved, but by how much is the question. I?m not sure they can crack the top six or even seven in the league ? even with a healthy Maurice Creek.

9. Michigan: It?s tough to ever count John Beilein out, but this year?s team is so young, it?s difficult to imagine the Wolverines making any sort of postseason.

10. Penn State: Talor Battle is one of the most underrated guys in the country, but he doesn?t have enough help. The Nittany Lions will finish somewhere in the bottom third of the league.

11. Iowa: Fran McCaffery has a lot of work to do to get the Hawkeyes back to respectability.

Cont...
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http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Big-Ten-preview-for-2010-11-season-110410
 
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Big Ten to give Ohio State Buckeyes a first-rate test: 2010-11 men's basketball preview
Published: Saturday, November 06, 2010,
Doug Lesmerises, The Plain Dealer

Ohio State men's basketball coach Thad Matta keeps insisting his young team, featuring six freshmen, doesn't deserve a top-five ranking right now.

If Ohio State wants to compete at the top of the conference, the Buckeyes will have to be playing at that level by January.

With four teams -- No. 2 Michigan State, No. 4 Ohio State, No. 13 Illinois and No. 14 Purdue -- in the top 14 of the preseason Associated Press poll, the Big Ten might be the nation's best conference, featuring a depth of talent in the senior and freshman classes.

The Class of 2007 has been dominating the conference for years, and though Ohio State's Evan Turner went to the NBA, the seniors from that recruiting season who remain -- from Purdue's JaJuan Johnson and E'Twaun Moore to Michigan State's Kalin Lucas and Durrell Summers to Illinois' Demetri McCamey, Mike Davis and Mike Tisdale to Wisconsin's Jon Leuer and Keaton Nankavil to OSU's Jon Diebler and Dallas Lauderdale -- know how to win and know each other. There are no secrets here.

Throw in the seven top 50 freshmen on the rosters of Ohio State, Michigan State and Illinois, led by OSU big man Jared Sullinger, and there looks to be another crop of players ready to control the league for a while.

TEAM-BY-TEAM BREAKDOWNS Doug Lesmerises predicts the order of finish
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http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2010/11/big_ten_to_give_ohio_state_buc.html
 
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