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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
MUBuck;1620177; said:
Big XII: San Antonio and Arlington, TX, Kansas City
ACC: Tampa and Jacksonville, FL
SEC: Atlanta, GA

Big cities, for sure, but I think you would agree that these cities aren't considered "world class cities" either. I don't see how Indi is any different from these cities, and the other championship games seem to be filling the seats without problem.

Ultimately, I agree. Money and a domed stadium will trump all. Like they did with the BB tournament, Indy will pay through the nose for the privilege of getting it. Chicago won't.

That being said, domes are still for pussies.
 
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MUBuck;1620177; said:
Big XII: San Antonio and Arlington, TX, Kansas City
ACC: Tampa and Jacksonville, FL
SEC: Atlanta, GA

Big cities, for sure, but I think you would agree that these cities aren't considered "world class cities" either. I don't see how Indi is any different from these cities, and the other championship games seem to be filling the seats without problem.


Couple of points:

Jacksonville and "world class" just aren't used in the same sentence very often unless its something like "Jacksonville is full or world class redneck piece of shit sorry excuse for human being mouth breathers who's mothers should have hit them in the head and sold the milk."

They haven't sold out an ACC CG or anything else besides monster trucks and UGA/UF in that stadium that I can remember. The Bowden farewell Bowl is an exception believe me.

Indy is a 10X nicer city than Jacksonville could ever dream of being. Jax has nicer weather during the winter months, that's it.
 
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OKLA lost their CCG and still made the title.

JXC you had earlier went to bat against me on the LSU point with "supposed" facts... that's the only reason I had returned with my ducks lined up.

I'll look and find more examples.
Right...their CCG didn't hurt them. But i'm wanting you to find where CCGs have helped teams get in. LSU is one I will give you. But I have listed a bunch more that it hurt.
 
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ORD, how much time do you spend in Indy? I go there on a pretty regular basis and love it. A beautiful city with plenty to do if you're willing to look. Lucas Oil is a top-tier stadium and would most definitely get the nod over Soldier Field.

But all of that talk is pointless, as an expansion wouldn't be too smart in my opinion. I also agree about why the heck did we add Penn State!? Let them go to the Big East.
 
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JXC;1620413; said:
Right...their CCG didn't hurt them. But i'm wanting you to find where CCGs have helped teams get in. LSU is one I will give you. But I have listed a bunch more that it hurt.

Sorry haven't had a ton of time since my last post. I'm guessing you want relevance from BCS years so the data range and results aren't going to be huge. If that is what you are looking for ratio wise you are going to end up right in your eyes, because I won't be able to cross 50%. We have limited insight to know how human voting and comp rating went into helping a team go from 4 to 1 or 2 with or without a loss in front of them. It may take me a bit to get back to you but I'll do my best. Out of BCS years you are talking about what, 30 games. 3 CCG's over 10 BCS years. And the ACC hasn't been relevant during more than half the BCS. I'll see what I can find though.
 
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Jaxbuck;1620388; said:
Couple of points:

Jacksonville and "world class" just aren't used in the same sentence very often unless its something like "Jacksonville is full or world class redneck piece of [censored] sorry excuse for human being mouth breathers who's mothers should have hit them in the head and sold the milk."

They haven't sold out an ACC CG or anything else besides monster trucks and UGA/UF in that stadium that I can remember. The Bowden farewell Bowl is an exception believe me.

Indy is a 10X nicer city than Jacksonville could ever dream of being. Jax has nicer weather during the winter months, that's it.

Guess I should have said Indi isn't any worse than any of these cities. I'll be sure to avoid Jacksonville at all costs.

ORD_Buckeye;1620211; said:
Ultimately, I agree. Money and a domed stadium will trump all. Like they did with the BB tournament, Indy will pay through the nose for the privilege of getting it. Chicago won't.

That being said, domes are still for pussies.

I think it would be great to play an undomed (is that a word?) CCG, but like you said, money will trump all. Chances are less likely for a sell-out and the crowd to stay the whole time to buy merchandise, vending, etc.
 
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I looked over the BCS time period and didn't weigh it one way or the other so only the facts were there and I'll list it year to year. I personally wasn't saying that a CCG would always or usually take a team from outside to inside the NCG but I knew it did for LSU and I knew that it didn't hurt Okla.

1998- Kansas State hurt by 2ot loss to T A& M
1999- N/A due to ACC and Big East not having CCG's and Nebraska had a loss so they couldn't have jumped either FSU or Va Tech.
2000-OKLA won out and no other CCG that mattered
2001-Nebraska dibacle... Neb not in CCG, Tex loses to Colo but Neb got pushed above Oregon with no CCG. So hurt Tex but if Pac 10 had CCG and Oregon won, they would have been 2nd.
2002-Best year of BCS. 2 undefeateds no way a team with a CCG could have jumped either.
2003-LSU was behind USC all year in BCS until win in CCG. Makes NCG and Wins.
2004-OKLA,USC and Aub all won out. Probably best argument against the help a CCG gives. USC played the same week as the CCGs at UCLA.
2005-Similar to 2002. USC and Tex went unbeaten with no one else in major conference unbeaten.
2006-OSU undefeated and outright #1. Could be argued that without SEC CG Florida sits behind scUM. #4 FLA won a 13th game against #8 ARK the week after 1 v 2 OSU/scUM. Pushed in by voters over scUM. USC loss opened the debate between the 2 teams, but scUM was ahead in BCS until week after SEC CG.
2007-LSU year discussed ad nauseum
2008-FLA/ALA winner was in. OKLA was in 2nd before CCG, moved to #1 after. ALA knocked from #1 with loss.
2009-From day 1 if Fla and ALA won out they would have 1 team in... with no CCG Ala would have prob fought with Tex for the final spot and IMO missed out, unlees TEX had no CCG.

So out of 12 years of BCS and 7 years where Big 12 and SEC had the CCGs without the ACC. Looks like it has alot to do with the fact that teams that play a CCG play a week after most teams. So they get to show who they are last and that is prominent to voters. Sometimes it gives an extra game to boost your record.

So I tallied according to where teams were before CCG were played and where were in BCS and if had affect and if did if hurt or helped team in.
helped-3(03(LSU),06(UF),07(LSU))
hurt-4(98(KSU),01(Tex),08(ALA),09(UF))
didnt affect-5(99,00,02,04,05)

Fairly even over BCS years. SEC is largest conference affected by their CCG. ACC is least affected due to bad records prior to CCG. Argument would be from this point if teams could have been helped if conference had CCG. I know Oregon would have been helped in 01 if they won again against WSU(next team in PAC 10).

Tried to be unbiased.
 
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MUBuck;1620604; said:
I think it would be great to play an undomed (is that a word?) CCG, but like you said, money will trump all. Chances are less likely for a sell-out and the crowd to stay the whole time to buy merchandise, vending, etc.
I would be absolutely shocked if a Big 10 CCG game involving Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, or Illinois played in Chicago in the middle of a week-long freezing cold blizzard didn't sell out if all 65,000 tickets were put on sale one week before the game. The only winter that would keep that stadium from being filled to the brim would be of the nuclear variety.
 
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I just read the last few pages of this thread and thought I would pass along some info on the University of Missouri.

- In fall 2009, MU welcomed a record 31,314 students representing every county in Missouri, every state in the nation and more than 100 countries. This is the eighth year in a row that MU has broken numerous enrollment records

- The 2009 freshmen class boasts an average ACT score of 25.6, compared with the national average of 21.1 and the state average of 21.5. Twenty-five percent of MU freshmen come from the top 10 percent of their high school classes.

- Sixty Missouri School of Journalism students were among a select group of 300 students from around the world to serve as Olympic News Service interns during the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing, China.

- The National Science Foundation has recognized MU as one of the top 10 universities in the country for successfully integrating research into undergraduate education.

- MU has $595 million of campus improvement projects in design or construction. The latest projects include the Brady Commons expansion, the Donald W. Reynolds Journalism Institute (completed September 2008) and Thomas and Nell Lafferre Hall.


- The Mizzou Student Recreation Complex is one of the 10 largest facilities of its kind in the country. MU students voted to increase their fees to pay for the $50 million complex.

- National magazines and newspapers consistently list Columbia, Mo., among the top cities in the nation for its excellent quality of life. For example, Money magazine included Columbia in a 2006 ?Top 100 Best Places to Live? study that analyzed factors such as housing, student test scores, air quality and commute time. Also in 2006, Forbes listed Columbia as the 16th ?Best Small Metro for Business and Careers,? the seventh year in a row Columbia has ranked in the top 60. In 2007 Forbes listed Columbia as one of the top 20 American cities to educate children.

- Thanks to the generous support of alumni and friends, the For All We Call Mizzou campaign is close to reaching the university's $1 billion goal. MU will celebrate meeting the goal in spring 2009.

- Based on the most recent data from the National Science Foundation, MU ranks No. 2 among all institutions in the Association of American Universities in growth of federal research funding from 1995 to 2005.

- MU spent $248 million for research and development last year

- MU is one of only six public universities in the country with medicine, veterinary medicine, law, engineering and agriculture all on one campus.

- MU is one of only 34 public U.S. universities, and the only public institution in Missouri, to be selected for membership in the Association of American Universities and designated ?Research University/Very High? by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching. This year marks the centennial of MU's AAU membership, which recognizes excellence in teaching and research endeavors and includes only the nation's top-tier institutions.

- A national leader in plant genomics research, MU is 7th in the nation in plant sciences funding from the National Science Foundation.

- MU is a national leader in comparative medicine, in which researchers collaborate by sharing discoveries, innovations and treatments for humans and animals. For example, Jimmy Cook discovered how to encourage the meniscus in knees to repair itself by implanting a scaffold in dog knees. Currently, this process is in stage II of FDA human clinical trials.

- MU boasts some of the world's top scientists in wheat, corn and soybean research and is 14th in the nation in life sciences funding from the National Science Foundation.

- MU is home to the world's most powerful university research reactor and is the largest U.S. producer of radioisotopes for the diagnosis and treatment of cancer.

- MU and its biochemistry researchers have a new $2.3 million high-powered nuclear magnetic resonance spectrometer (NMR), only the second of its generation in the U.S. and the only one in Missouri. Scientists use the NMR to see molecules in three dimensions and view their interactions. Understanding these interactions is crucial to understanding health and disease.

- MU is one of only 15 sites in the United States where the National Cancer Institute provides funding for clinical trials on animals. Veterinary medicine and human medicine oncologists developed Quadramet for bone cancer pain, one of many MU discoveries based on collaborative research.

- Interdisciplinary research is the hallmark of the university?s Dalton Cardiovascular Research Center. Mizzou scientists from such fields as biochemistry, biological engineering, electrical engineering, medicine, physiology and veterinary medicine come together and apply their particular expertise to health problems like hypertension, cancer, cystic fibrosis and heart disease.

- Mizzou is home to some of the world?s best nanoscientists, who work with particles at the nearly unimaginable scale of one billionth of a meter. The new $10 million International Institute for Nano and Molecular Medicine will house scientists fighting cancer and other diseases.

In my opinion if the Big Ten did offer us a spot we would have to take it. The Big Ten is a much better run conference, pays more $$$, and membership in the CIC would be to good to pass up for a research university. I would however hate losing some of our long lasting rivalries and our Texas recruiting.
 
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Welcome to BP.

If ND wasn't interested, Mizzou would be the next one on my list. Two new media markets, large state school, member of the AAU. Footall team has the chance to be on par with an Iowa or Wisconsin which is realistically about as good as any candidate would bring to the table.

Can you tell me why all the Big 12 schools put the U at the end of their abbreviation? MU, OU, KU, CU, etc? Could never figure that out.
 
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Muck;1620862; said:
Put down the chicago dog...the nitrates have fried your brain.

Actually, it's too much Harold's Fried Chicken and Mr. Beef that's fried my brain. That being said:

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