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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
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Zurp said:
Throw all the math at me you want. I'll either get it or I won't.
In this case, I don't get it. 12/16? The 16 is the number of non-TTUN teams that Ohio State can play. 12 is the number of teams that aren't out west? Then, I guess once you succeed that roll, there's 15 more teams, 11 of which aren't out west, and so on...?
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Yes. To calculate the odds of playing at least 1 game out west, one calculates the odds of having none of the 4 road games out west and subtracts that from 100%. For the first road game, it’s 12 out of 16 teams that aren’t, for the second one (assuming the first one wasn’t), it’s 11 out of 15, and so on. So it comes out at 72.8%. Some of the scenarios in a random scheduling of 4 road games includes multiple games out west, but the easiest calculation is to determine what percentage has ‘at least 1’ west coast road game. The odds of having all 4 non-TTUN road games out west, if they were assigned randomly, would be 4/16 * 3/15 * 2/14 * 1/13, or 24/43,680, or 0.055%.

The assumption that there would be 4 road games each year, not counting The Game, was also made to keep things simpler.
 
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Bucklion said:
Illinois/Purdue is a protected game? Are we protected from watching it? What do they play for, the Arkansas Bielema we didn’t lose all of the conference games trophy?
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Watching Corn-Illinois... i feel like it's approaching the time where we flip from talking about "expansion" to "contraction".
How do we get rid of Corn, Illinois, and Purdue... just for starters.
3 schools in Indiana is at least 2 too many, maybe 3 too many. Id rather keep Northwestern than the other 2.
 
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Zurp said:
Throw all the math at me you want. I'll either get it or I won't.
In this case, I don't get it. 12/16? The 16 is the number of non-TTUN teams that Ohio State can play. 12 is the number of teams that aren't out west? Then, I guess once you succeed that roll, there's 15 more teams, 11 of which aren't out west, and so on...?

Where's DBB?

Let's say your calculation is correct. (I'm not saying it is or isn't - this is one part of probability that I don't remember how to do.) That's saying that the "fucks in the league office" are being 100% random with the schedule, as far as who each team plays (not necessarily about home/away). (Also, I know that "random" doesn't have degrees - you can't have something that is "more random" than something else. Something is either random or it isn't. But.... I'm going to stick with saying "100% random.") So if it's a 27.2% chance of not playing out west, what are the chances of a team playing exactly 1 game out west? Or 2 games or 3 games or 4 games? I'm guessing that the fucks in the league office are skewing the schedules toward everyone playing 1 game out west, and away from 2 or 3 or 4 games. How great would it be if Penn State had to play 3 or 4 games out west?

Let's try this math:
With 4 teams out west, each averaging 4.5 home games, that's 18 games out west. Maybe 4 of those games are west on west action (A vs B, A vs C, B vs D, C vs D). So there are 14 more games to be played out west. There are 14 teams not out west. So, on average, each eastern team will play 1.0 games out west. They can add at most 2 more games for west vs west (A vs D and B vs C), leaving 12 more games to fill. That's still 0.857 games per east team to play out west.
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I need to break my notes back out or look at wiki, but i believe his math is right.
It has to do with whether combinations are repeatable and is usually simplified to factorials in fraction form... which if you expand out what he's done, that is exactly what you get. Something like: (12! - 8!) / (16! - 12!)

The one part im not sure on, is whether leaving out the home teams is allowable... or if it affects anything. I think he's right though.
 
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kujirakira said:
Watching Corn-Illinois... i feel like it's approaching the time where we flip from talking about "expansion" to "contraction".
How do we get rid of Corn, Illinois, and Purdue... just for starters.
3 schools in Indiana is at least 2 too many, maybe 3 too many. Id rather keep Northwestern than the other 2.
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^^^. Gonna attribute this post to early in the morning on game day. 3 teams in Indiana? Keep the one that’s from Chicago?
 
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kujirakira said:
Watching Corn-Illinois... i feel like it's approaching the time where we flip from talking about "expansion" to "contraction".
How do we get rid of Corn, Illinois, and Purdue... just for starters.
3 schools in Indiana is at least 2 too many, maybe 3 too many. Id rather keep Northwestern than the other 2.
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Illinois, Purdue, and NW’ern are all charter members of the B1G, from 1896, they’re just not getting tossed,

And yes, for those about to ask, those were very interesting meetings,
 
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kujirakira said:
We already kicked scUM out once and Chicago was there too.
I don't know, is this even the "big ten" anymore? It's a tv conference bolted onto the old "big ten".
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tsun was kicked out because Fielding Yost refused to follow B1G rules to put his program under the control of the university. It was literally the original sin of LOIC.

Chicago left on their own.

In both cases, college football was a tiny fraction of what it is today. No way do Northwestern or Indiana voluntarily leave and no way do Ohio State and Michigan deal with the huge legal and political hit that would ensue from trying to kick them out.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
tsun was kicked out because Fielding Yost refused to follow B1G rules to put his program under the control of the university. It was literally the original sin of LOIC.

Chicago left on their own.

In both cases, college football was a tiny fraction of what it is today. No way do Northwestern or Indiana voluntarily leave and no way do Ohio State and Michigan deal with the huge legal and political hit that would ensue from trying to kick them out.
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No University would be footing that bill, a tv deal would. And they probably wouldn't get kicked out... but rather everyone leaves the "b1g ten" and joins the "B16" at an opportune time.
I guess it depends how much money the tv execs feel they're losing on the Indianas, Illinois, Purdues, etc.
 
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