Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[CincyInterloper]

But how does that help them? The ACC is torn apart in 10 years. Was it really worth it? If it was the B1G or SEC I get it. The ACC though?

I agree with you. I think SMU would be better off staying in the AAC or moving to the Mountain West. The ACC could very well be the next conference to implode. The only thing holding them together at the moment appears to be an onerous grant of rights, which is not exactly a compelling reason to join and also become bound to the conference.

 

[ScriptOhio]

ACC adds Stanford, Cal, SMU beginning 2024-25

The ACC presidents and chancellors voted to add three schools -- Stanford, Cal and SMU -- beginning in the 2024-25 school year. It will bring the ACC to 18 members, with 17 playing football full time in the conference.

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ACC adds Stanford, Cal, SMU as new members beginning 2024-25​

Cal, Stanford and SMU will come at a significant discount, which will help create a revenue pool to be shared among ACC members. SMU is expected to come in for nine years with no broadcast media revenue, sources told ESPN, and Cal and Stanford will each start out receiving just a 30% share of ACC payouts.

That money being withheld is expected to create an annual pot of revenue between $50 million and $60 million. Some of the revenue will be divided proportionally among the 14 full-time members and Notre Dame, and another portion will be put in a pool designated for success initiatives that rewards programs that win.

For Stanford and Cal, it will be 30% of a whole ACC share for the next seven years. That number will jump to 70% in Year 8, 75% in Year 9 and then full financial shares in the 10th year, per sources.

The move delivers a life preserver to the athletic departments at Stanford and Cal, which were left twisting amid the Pac-12's implosion. Stanford has an athletic department that is considered the gold standard in college athletics. Both will face increased travel costs, which will significantly impact a Cal athletic department that faces hundreds of millions in debt.

"Student-athletes come to Stanford to pursue their highest academic and athletic potential, and joining the ACC gives us the ability to continue offering them that opportunity at a national level," said Stanford president Richard P. Saller in a statement.

For SMU, the decision to forgo television revenue gave it a seat in a major conference, and the school will lean on its wealthy boosters to help it stay afloat until revenue comes in. It marks a significant moment for the school's climb back from the death penalty for major infractions that led to the school not playing football in 1987 and 1988. SMU didn't return to a bowl until 2009 after the penalties.

"This is a transformational day for SMU," SMU president R. Gerald Turner said in a statement. "Becoming a member of the ACC will positively impact all aspects of the collegiate experience on the Hilltop and will raise SMU's profile on a national level. We want to thank everyone who has helped position SMU for this important moment. Joining the ACC is an historic milestone in our institution's history, and the start of a new chapter in SMU Athletics."

It was a 12-3 vote Friday with NC State flipping, multiple sources confirmed to ESPN's Andrea Adelson.

Just sayin': You have to wonder

1) What did NCST get for flipping their vote?
2) Is ESPN adding more $$$ to their TV contract to make up what Stanford and Cal are getting?
3) How many more years does Clemson and/or Free Shoes stay in the ACC?
4) Is UNC going to want out now?
5) What is going to happen to Washington State and Oregon State now?

 

[Woody1968]

ACC adds Stanford, Cal, SMU beginning 2024-25

The ACC presidents and chancellors voted to add three schools -- Stanford, Cal and SMU -- beginning in the 2024-25 school year. It will bring the ACC to 18 members, with 17 playing football full time in the conference.

www.espn.com

ACC adds Stanford, Cal, SMU as new members beginning 2024-25​

Cal, Stanford and SMU will come at a significant discount, which will help create a revenue pool to be shared among ACC members. SMU is expected to come in for nine years with no broadcast media revenue, sources told ESPN, and Cal and Stanford will each start out receiving just a 30% share of ACC payouts.

That money being withheld is expected to create an annual pot of revenue between $50 million and $60 million. Some of the revenue will be divided proportionally among the 14 full-time members and Notre Dame, and another portion will be put in a pool designated for success initiatives that rewards programs that win.

For Stanford and Cal, it will be 30% of a whole ACC share for the next seven years. That number will jump to 70% in Year 8, 75% in Year 9 and then full financial shares in the 10th year, per sources.

The move delivers a life preserver to the athletic departments at Stanford and Cal, which were left twisting amid the Pac-12's implosion. Stanford has an athletic department that is considered the gold standard in college athletics. Both will face increased travel costs, which will significantly impact a Cal athletic department that faces hundreds of millions in debt.

"Student-athletes come to Stanford to pursue their highest academic and athletic potential, and joining the ACC gives us the ability to continue offering them that opportunity at a national level," said Stanford president Richard P. Saller in a statement.

For SMU, the decision to forgo television revenue gave it a seat in a major conference, and the school will lean on its wealthy boosters to help it stay afloat until revenue comes in. It marks a significant moment for the school's climb back from the death penalty for major infractions that led to the school not playing football in 1987 and 1988. SMU didn't return to a bowl until 2009 after the penalties.

"This is a transformational day for SMU," SMU president R. Gerald Turner said in a statement. "Becoming a member of the ACC will positively impact all aspects of the collegiate experience on the Hilltop and will raise SMU's profile on a national level. We want to thank everyone who has helped position SMU for this important moment. Joining the ACC is an historic milestone in our institution's history, and the start of a new chapter in SMU Athletics."



Just sayin': You have to wonder

1) What did NCST get for flipping their vote?
2) Is ESPN adding more $$$ to their TV contract to make up what Stanford and Cal are getting?
3) How many more years does Clemson and/or Free Shoes stay in the ACC?
4) Is UNC going to want out now?
5) What is going to happen to Washington State and Oregon State now?

NC State had no reason to vote no. They have no landing spot outside of the ACC, that will pay them anywhere near as much. It's clear with Wazzu and the Beavs that little brothers are no longer safe in this changing landscape.

 

[Oregonbuck]

Seriously, none of this ACC stuff makes sense:
* ND just gained a tighter grip on a conference it doesn't share it's revenue with
* SMU just signed into a grant of rights deal that gives them no revenue and is impossible to get out of
* Stanford and Cal will get revenue but will spend all of it traveling across the country
* The big schools in the ACC don't like the ACC and want out.

In my mind, this expansion was done by ND, the ACC, and the smaller schools to make it harder for the big schools to leave.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

In my mind, this expansion was done by ND, the ACC, and the smaller schools to make it harder for the big schools to leave.

Notre Dame serves nobody but itself; that's for certain.

But I don't know if UNC, FSU and Clemson don't have an out now. Can they make the case that this expanded ACC is not what they signed a GOR for, and the other schools just ignored their wishes to expand to Texas and the West Coast? The expansion thus nullifies the existing GOR, and a new one will need to be signed to be valid.

NS State puzzles me unless there's something in NC law that joins them at the hip to UNC or they're damned certain they have the muscle in the legislature to force UNC to take them along.

 

[dragurd]

Notre Dame serves nobody but itself; that's for certain.

But I don't know if UNC, FSU and Clemson don't have an out now. Can they make the case that this expanded ACC is not what they signed a GOR for, and the other schools just ignored their wishes to expand to Texas and the West Coast? The expansion thus nullifies the existing GOR, and a new one will need to be signed to be valid.

NS State puzzles me unless there's something in NC law that joins them at the hip to UNC or they're damned certain they have the muscle in the legislature to force UNC to take them along.

Unless they are sure UNC is going to Big Ten and thinkthe SEC will take them to get into North Carolina I've got nothing

 

[CincyInterloper]

Seriously, none of this ACC stuff makes sense:
* ND just gained a tighter grip on a conference it doesn't share it's revenue with
* SMU just signed into a grant of rights deal that gives them no revenue and is impossible to get out of
* Stanford and Cal will get revenue but will spend all of it traveling across the country
* The big schools in the ACC don't like the ACC and want out.

In my mind, this expansion was done by ND, the ACC, and the smaller schools to make it harder for the big schools to leave.

That’s what I can’t figure out. It seems like SMU would be better off as an independent. There must be something we’re missing. SMU appears to have put themselves into a financial prison.

 

[dragurd]

Seriously, none of this ACC stuff makes sense:
* ND just gained a tighter grip on a conference it doesn't share it's revenue with
* SMU just signed into a grant of rights deal that gives them no revenue and is impossible to get out of
* Stanford and Cal will get revenue but will spend all of it traveling across the country
* The big schools in the ACC don't like the ACC and want out.

In my mind, this expansion was done by ND, the ACC, and the smaller schools to make it harder for the big schools to leave.

Apparently the SMU deal is worse then previously thought

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

I expect cal and Stanford will get the ok to move their Olympic sports (except maybe basketball) to the big west or something else within 2-3 years. They already play there in some sports. Yes they signed a GOR, but every other sport generates no revenue and it saves everyone on travel costs. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see our pacific schools do the same thing in a few years as well.

 

[Bucklion]

Hilarious part of this all is SMU. Accepting no revenue for 7 years. WTF are you doing

I know, right? I mean I don’t care if they get the death penalty.

Oh wait…

 

[Woody1968]

That’s what I can’t figure out. It seems like SMU would be better off as an independent. There must be something we’re missing. SMU appears to have put themselves into a financial prison.

They probably figure that they aren't making that much in TV revenue now, and they will make up for losing it through increased merchandise sales through greater national exposure in the ACC. Also McShitbag says they are forgoing ACC network revenue, but not ABC/ESPN or other tv deal revenue.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Sources: AAC targets Army as SMU replacement

The American has reached out to Army to discuss adding the service academy as a football-only member of the conference, sources told ESPN's Pete Thamel. SMU agreed Friday to leave the AAC for the ACC.

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Sources: AAC targets Army to join conference for football​

Army has emerged as the American Athletic Conference's top expansion target, sources said.

After a call with AAC presidents and athletic directors Friday morning, it was clear that Army was the league's top choice to replace SMU, sources said. Commissioner Mike Aresco has begun informally exploring Army as an expansion candidate.

Aresco has engaged with Army athletic director Mike Buddie about potential membership, sources said. The addition of Army would be for football only, an arrangement similar to the one Navy has with the conference.

 

[cincibuck]

Notre Dame serves nobody but itself; that's for certain.

But I don't know if UNC, FSU and Clemson don't have an out now. Can they make the case that this expanded ACC is not what they signed a GOR for, and the other schools just ignored their wishes to expand to Texas and the West Coast? The expansion thus nullifies the existing GOR, and a new one will need to be signed to be valid.

NS State puzzles me unless there's something in NC law that joins them at the hip to UNC or they're damned certain they have the muscle in the legislature to force UNC to take them along.

UNC certainly retains the higher ranking (using whatever rankings are based on) at #5 Top Public to NCSU's #29 Top Public (Ohio State #16). I was under the impression that UNC/NCSU had been designed like Purdue and Indiana with one school pushing liberal arts and the other ag and engineering. Doesn't seem to be that way. NCSU's Engineering program ranks higher than UNC and the Nuc Engineering is ranked #3. Sounds like they're relatively even.

 

[DubCoffman62]

 

[cincibuck]

The more I think about this the more I'd rather see the old Big Ten. Michigan State and Penn State worked, but I have a hard time ginning up any enthusiasm over a game with Maryland or Rutgers. This is especially true because they landed in the East division. I'd much rather see us play Illinois, Iowa, and Minnie.

The unspoken issue is what this means to the pretense of student athletes. Time zones, travel weekends... these kids are going to be fed a steady diet of Zoom.