Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[cincibuck]

On the issue of travel burdens, is a chartered team road trip from Columbus to Los Angeles, today, a bigger burden than a chartered team road trip from Columbus to Minneapolis was in 1935? I would guess it’s less.

One thing seems to me to be sure, if only 20 to 30 of all Div 1 athletic departments made money, only 20 to 30 will make up tomorrow's super conferences. Maybe we will soon see Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, and Northwestern in the new Super MAC.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

One thing seems to me to be sure, if only 20 to 30 of all Div 1 athletic departments made money, only 20 to 30 will make up tomorrow's super conferences. Maybe we will soon see Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland, and Northwestern in the new Super MAC.

I understand this point, but the fans of schools like Bama, Ohio State, Oklahoma are not used to seeing their teams end at 2 games over .500. Those teams like Vandy, Purdue, Rutgers, and Tennessee are needed to pump up those numbers.

 

[Bucklion]

I wonder what the domers are asking for. I don't think they'll be so crazy as to ask for uneven revenue splits, but I'm pretty sure that they're asking for things like:

• Their own separate NBC broadcast window and dedicated announcing crew
• Other conference teams using their home games with ND to play neutral site games in NFL stadiums
• Probably some say over their schedule above and beyond the dedicated rivalry games that other teams will have

Any others?

And, oh yeah, they should be told to shove all of it up their ass.

They won’t want to use B1G refs

 

[cincibuck]

Old fart who'd like to see Notre Dame in the Big Ten for the same reason I wanted to see Penn State in - reality. and the end of the "favored nation status" both practiced until PSU entered a real conference.

I understand those who don't want to see them in but here's the cold heard fact: TV is calling the shots and when it comes to TV, Notre Dame is still a big draw - not what it used to be, but still important.
Here's a look at Average Market Share for teams in the eyes of TV (Pay special attention to USC and UCLA):

1. Ohio State (5.19M)
2. Alabama (5.09M)
3. Michigan (4.18M)
4. Notre Dame (3.61M)
5. LSU (3.22M)
6. Auburn (3.12M)
7. Georgia (2.91M)
8. Oklahoma (2.90M)
9. Clemson (2.67M)
10. Penn State (2.55M)
11. Florida (2.46M)
12. Wisconsin (2.27M)
13. Texas (2.269M)
14. Florida State (2.23M)
15. Michigan State (2.20M)
16. Southern Cal (1.98M)
17. Texas A&M (1.851M)
18. Tennessee (1.849M)
19. Oklahoma State (1.64M)
20. Mississippi (1.61M)
21. Iowa (1.57M)
22. Nebraska (1.51M)
23. Miami (1.503M)
24. TCU (1.495M)
25. Stanford (1.43M)
26. Oregon (1.34M)
27. Arkansas (1.33M)
28. Washington (1.32M)
29. Mississippi State (1.31M)
30. West Virginia (1.27M)
31. Virginia Tech (1.26M)
32. UCLA (1.25M)
33. Louisville (1.22M)
34. Indiana (1.17M)
35. Baylor (1.12M)
36. South Carolina (1.07M)
37. Navy (1.01M)
38. Texas Tech (921K)
39. Washington State (909K)
40. Northwestern (867K)
41. Utah (856K)
42. Army (825K)
43. Minnesota (803K)
44. Pittsburgh (781K)
45. North Carolina (749K)
46. Iowa State (747K)
47. California (730K)
48. BYU (714K)
49. NC State (703K)
50. Arizona State (695K)
51. Syracuse (694K)
52. Houston (689K)
53. Kansas State (682K)
54. Maryland (681K)
55. Purdue (620K)
56. Georgia Tech (615K)
57. Missouri (611K)
58. Colorado (610K)
59. Virginia (592K)
60. UCF (566K)
61. Memphis (564K)
62. Arizona (561K)
63. Kentucky (484K)
64. Boise State (476K)
65. Vanderbilt (438K)
66. Cincinnati (430K)
67. Duke (410K)
68. USF (407K)
69. Boston College (403K)
70. Illinois (401K)
71. Wake Forest (398K)
72. Temple (354K)
73. Kansas (346K)
74. Oregon State (295K)
75. Rutgers (266K)
76. Tulsa (265K)
77. SMU (232K)
78. Colorado State (130K)
79. Fresno State (127K)
80. Wyoming (126K)
81. Air Force (121K)
82. New Mexico (97K)
83. Hawaii (94K)
84. East Carolina (82K)
85. Nevada (80K)
86. San Diego State (63K)
87. UNLV (55K)
88. Tulane (42K)
89. San Jose State (30K)

 

[Zem]

I forgot this ad happens to start at the Rose Bowl (UCLA), then jumps to the midwest. But it will still need some work in a couple years unless they replace it with something completely new.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Pay special attention to USC and UCLA

If USC gets back to Pete Carroll days then that changes drastically. Their fans are just a Westside version of Miami fans.

UCLA would take a long run like Oregon under Kelly to move the needle at all.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

If they drag this shit out and then hold one of their smug press conferences to say they're too good for us, we need to be done with them once and for all. No football games at all much less neutral site games in Chicago. No basketball games. Sever their hockey program from our league. They really need to become dead to us and stay dead to us. I don't think that the B1G has the sack to do that, but it's what should be done.

I think we need only remind them of their own words: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/687407-ten-reasons-why-notre-dame-will-never-join-the-big-ten


Then we need to dig up Yost and have him rally the troops. I’m fine to see ND get the Yost treatment again. Push ‘em to the ACC and let that slowly die on a vine and take ND with ‘em.

 

[gmen6981]

On the one hand, I like the way you think. On the other, we already have TSUN and PSU. Do we really want to corner the market on deluded cult fans?

Excellent point. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Old fart who'd like to see Notre Dame in the Big Ten for the same reason I wanted to see Penn State in - reality. and the end of the "favored nation status" both practiced until PSU entered a real conference.

I understand those who don't want to see them in but here's the cold heard fact: TV is calling the shots and when it comes to TV, Notre Dame is still a big draw - not what it used to be, but still important.
Here's a look at Average Market Share for teams in the eyes of TV (Pay special attention to USC and UCLA):

1. Ohio State (5.19M)
2. Alabama (5.09M)
3. Michigan (4.18M)
4. Notre Dame (3.61M)
5. LSU (3.22M)
6. Auburn (3.12M)
7. Georgia (2.91M)
8. Oklahoma (2.90M)
9. Clemson (2.67M)
10. Penn State (2.55M)
11. Florida (2.46M)
12. Wisconsin (2.27M)
13. Texas (2.269M)
14. Florida State (2.23M)
15. Michigan State (2.20M)
16. Southern Cal (1.98M)
17. Texas A&M (1.851M)
18. Tennessee (1.849M)
19. Oklahoma State (1.64M)
20. Mississippi (1.61M)
21. Iowa (1.57M)
22. Nebraska (1.51M)
23. Miami (1.503M)
24. TCU (1.495M)
25. Stanford (1.43M)
26. Oregon (1.34M)
27. Arkansas (1.33M)
28. Washington (1.32M)
29. Mississippi State (1.31M)
30. West Virginia (1.27M)
31. Virginia Tech (1.26M)
32. UCLA (1.25M)
33. Louisville (1.22M)
34. Indiana (1.17M)
35. Baylor (1.12M)
36. South Carolina (1.07M)
37. Navy (1.01M)
38. Texas Tech (921K)
39. Washington State (909K)
40. Northwestern (867K)
41. Utah (856K)
42. Army (825K)
43. Minnesota (803K)
44. Pittsburgh (781K)
45. North Carolina (749K)
46. Iowa State (747K)
47. California (730K)
48. BYU (714K)
49. NC State (703K)
50. Arizona State (695K)
51. Syracuse (694K)
52. Houston (689K)
53. Kansas State (682K)
54. Maryland (681K)
55. Purdue (620K)
56. Georgia Tech (615K)
57. Missouri (611K)
58. Colorado (610K)
59. Virginia (592K)
60. UCF (566K)
61. Memphis (564K)
62. Arizona (561K)
63. Kentucky (484K)
64. Boise State (476K)
65. Vanderbilt (438K)
66. Cincinnati (430K)
67. Duke (410K)
68. USF (407K)
69. Boston College (403K)
70. Illinois (401K)
71. Wake Forest (398K)
72. Temple (354K)
73. Kansas (346K)
74. Oregon State (295K)
75. Rutgers (266K)
76. Tulsa (265K)
77. SMU (232K)
78. Colorado State (130K)
79. Fresno State (127K)
80. Wyoming (126K)
81. Air Force (121K)
82. New Mexico (97K)
83. Hawaii (94K)
84. East Carolina (82K)
85. Nevada (80K)
86. San Diego State (63K)
87. UNLV (55K)
88. Tulane (42K)
89. San Jose State (30K)

That's a great table.

Please cite your source if it's not too much trouble.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Ord, l (think) feel you can rest easy. Methinks that ND has played hard to get for so long that life has passed them by. I have chuckled at the vituperation from the above posters, and heartily agree. I guess ND can join the SEC and be the educational leader in the SEC wasteland. OK, but they'll struggle to stay in the mid-league rankings. Not entirely certain, but believe that only Florida is an AAU member. However, ND is a fantastic undergraduate institution, but believe their graduate programs are a bit sucky. Not so with the rest of the B10 (I know it's BIG, but hey, I'm writing this!). Gene Smith is a Domer, and I think he'd say, join us or perish. Since ND is private, don't believe have ever seen what their TV deal makes them, but since the B10 is now 'sea to shining sea', foresee that a new TV deal will net members >$100 million each per year. Cannot believe that it's a coincidence that USC and UCLA opted to join B10 right before TV rights are being negotiated. Yeah, I double down on your 'no special treatment' for ND. The ACC will lose it's marquee schools to the SEC, (maybe a couple to the B10), so they can rule the remaining shambles. Oh yeah, kick out the ND teams that are now allowed to play B10 schools as 'league members' due to travel costs. Let 'em eat crow without any mustard or relish.....

It was reported that FOX was in on the discussions too:



I'm sure that the B1G has a real good idea what the new TV revenue will be with USC and UCLA.

 

[Don Muenz]

Id call that bluff. "Oh, you want to join the SEC? Good fit. :thumbs up: OK. See you later"

Let them go to the SECSLEAZE. They can armwrestle Tejas while legrasslin' AliasBummer.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I think we need only remind them of their own words: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/687407-ten-reasons-why-notre-dame-will-never-join-the-big-ten


Then we need to dig up Yost and have him rally the troops. I’m fine to see ND get the Yost treatment again. Push ‘em to the ACC and let that slowly die on a vine and take ND with ‘em.

Actually, I just read Paddy O'Fuckstick's article. It's ten years old, and he's been proven wrong on so very much...laughably fucking wrong!

From who the B1G's expansion possibilities were to "conferences won't matter and independence is the wave of the future" to the "NBC deal is ideal" to my personal favorite.....wait for it......here it comes...

"The Mega-Conference Playoff Idea Isn't Realistic
Even if the major realignment happened, the chances that a playoff would replace the bowl system are almost absolute zero."

Apparently, this guy does wealth management, and with his prognostication skills, I don't think I'll be on the phone to him any time soon.

 

[Don Muenz]

That the domers haven't smugly proclaimed their commitment to independence, says that they thinking about joining. That they haven't yet tells me that they are trying to play the B1G and SEC off each other to see if one will give them special treatment.

Can we make this a package deal? SESLEAZE gets ND plus PSU. We get fresh air.

 

[buckeyebri]

Born in 62 and could give a rats ass about ND. Where’s Jerry Faust???

 

[Dryden]

I understand this point, but the fans of schools like Bama, Ohio State, Oklahoma are not used to seeing their teams end at 2 games over .500. Those teams like Vandy, Purdue, Rutgers, and Tennessee are needed to pump up those numbers.

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This. The idea that the Illinoises and Rutgers and Vanderbilts will not be grandfathered into the super conferences is missing the fact that no fans of Ohio St or Alabama want to see their team go 10-6 to win their division and make the playoff.

Fans want parity, but only for everybody else.