Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[calibuck]

Ord, l (think) feel you can rest easy. Methinks that ND has played hard to get for so long that life has passed them by. I have chuckled at the vituperation from the above posters, and heartily agree. I guess ND can join the SEC and be the educational leader in the SEC wasteland. OK, but they'll struggle to stay in the mid-league rankings. Not entirely certain, but believe that only Florida is an AAU member. However, ND is a fantastic undergraduate institution, but believe their graduate programs are a bit sucky. Not so with the rest of the B10 (I know it's BIG, but hey, I'm writing this!). Gene Smith is a Domer, and I think he'd say, join us or perish. Since ND is private, don't believe have ever seen what their TV deal makes them, but since the B10 is now 'sea to shining sea', foresee that a new TV deal will net members >$100 million each per year. Cannot believe that it's a coincidence that USC and UCLA opted to join B10 right before TV rights are being negotiated. Yeah, I double down on your 'no special treatment' for ND. The ACC will lose it's marquee schools to the SEC, (maybe a couple to the B10), so they can rule the remaining shambles. Oh yeah, kick out the ND teams that are now allowed to play B10 schools as 'league members' due to travel costs. Let 'em eat crow without any mustard or relish.....

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

If they drag this shit out and then hold one of their smug press conferences to say they're too good for us, we need to be done with them once and for all. No football games at all much less neutral site games in Chicago. No basketball games. Sever their hockey program from our league. They really need to become dead to us and stay dead to us. I don't think that the B1G has the sack to do that, but it's what should be done.

 

[Abenaki]

And since we have gone from a Power 5 to a Power 2 that are gazing over the college football landscape and the "pick-me" programs that are left; who among the pick-me programs is worth taking from a football standpoint? How many legit football powers are outside of the Power 2 right now?

In the ACC you have:

• Clemson - not much history, but recent history is undeniable. They're a power right now; who knows what they'll be in the future
• FSU - They had a 15 year run that was one of the most impressive in CFB history. Haven't been much lately. Facilities are a joke
• Miami - Better school with better facilities, but otherwise they're FSU. A has been that keeps claiming they're back. Probably better chance at actually getting back than FSU.
• Notre Dame - Still have a huge following and Freeman is recruiting well. They're the biggest football power outside of the Power 2 right now, and yes, to me they're in the ACC bucket, even if they're walking around with that bucket stuck on one foot like a big goof.
  
• Sorry, but no one else. One of my criteria is that you have to have been a legitimate threat to win a national title at some point apart from having purchased one in the 70s (looking at you, Pitt).

In what's Left of the PAC-N--

• Washington - Been a power off and on throughout much of my life. Probably belong with the big boys
• Oregon - What happens when Phil Knight dies and Nike is run by someone who doesn't care about them? - Right now, they bring interest; what will they bring in 2050?
• Colorado - They've been good in the past, but they've been a dumpster fire for so long, can they be taken seriously?
  
• Sorry, but no one else. Stanford has been to a few Rose Bowls, but has never been a legitimate threat to win a national title. ASU is a notch below them in the football history department, but came closer to a national title on one occasion. Still no. No one else is worth a mention.

What's left of the Big-XII

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There you have it. You can talk about basketball and academics, but it is football and tv sets that are driving this. On the football side, there are 7 schools that I would be willing to entertain as legitimate powers, and even among those there are some questions. After the first three or four of those remaining 7 are taken, the rest might all come down to tv sets and streaming devices.

I don't think you're wrong from a football perspective. From an Ohio State perspective regular recruiting trips, I mean conference games, in Georgia and Florida wouldn't be the worst thing to happen.

I don't know. I'm actually a little worried. Those fucking priests have some weird ju-ju that they do with conferences to get their way. I mean, for fuck's sake, we not only took in their hockey program, but we allow them to televise their home games on NBCSN and Peacock rather than on the BTN. I won't rest easy until the details are released, and it's clear that they're getting no special treatment.

This is where we'll see what Kevin Warren is made of. If he's deserving of the job he has, Notre Dame will join with no special treatment. Sankey won't be giving them concessions, so all he has to do is stand his ground and let the Domers blink first.

 

[gmen6981]

Bad news guys. ND is about to dictate terms.




To recap:
They are demanding a greater percentage of revenue sharing by leveraging a non-existing SEC membership offer against the B16

Hmmmmmm. "Lance Manion" seems vaguely familiar. Like he's a long lost cousin to our old friend Tug Speedwell.
Hey @ORD Buckeye, any input?

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Hmmmmmm. "Lance Manion" seems vaguely familiar. Like he's a long lost cousin to our old friend Tug Speedwell.
Hey @ORD Buckeye, any input?

I didn't notice that, but it's not me, just someone with good taste in fake names.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

If the big ten allows notre dame anything special then it will be the end of the conference. Texas’ special treatment completely destroyed the big 12. If the domers get special treatment then OSU needs to call up the sec.

On that note I wonder if usc and ucla will get full member money or the Rutgers Maryland treatment. If not it’s real shitty on the latter.

And I’ve got to say as an older millennial that only gen xers and boomers are holding onto this feeling that notre dame should be in the big ten. The rest of us don’t give a shit about them as they lost relevancy shortly after I was born. Gene smith is showing g his age.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

And since we have gone from a Power 5 to a Power 2 that are gazing over the college football landscape and the "pick-me" programs that are left; who among the pick-me programs is worth taking from a football standpoint? How many legit football powers are outside of the Power 2 right now?

In the ACC you have:

• Clemson - not much history, but recent history is undeniable. They're a power right now; who knows what they'll be in the future
• FSU - They had a 15 year run that was one of the most impressive in CFB history. Haven't been much lately. Facilities are a joke
• Miami - Better school with better facilities, but otherwise they're FSU. A has been that keeps claiming they're back. Probably better chance at actually getting back than FSU.
• Notre Dame - Still have a huge following and Freeman is recruiting well. They're the biggest football power outside of the Power 2 right now, and yes, to me they're in the ACC bucket, even if they're walking around with that bucket stuck on one foot like a big goof.
  
• Sorry, but no one else. One of my criteria is that you have to have been a legitimate threat to win a national title at some point apart from having purchased one in the 70s (looking at you, Pitt).

In what's Left of the PAC-N--

• Washington - Been a power off and on throughout much of my life. Probably belong with the big boys
• Oregon - What happens when Phil Knight dies and Nike is run by someone who doesn't care about them? - Right now, they bring interest; what will they bring in 2050?
• Colorado - They've been good in the past, but they've been a dumpster fire for so long, can they be taken seriously?
  
• Sorry, but no one else. Stanford has been to a few Rose Bowls, but has never been a legitimate threat to win a national title. ASU is a notch below them in the football history department, but came closer to a national title on one occasion. Still no. No one else is worth a mention.

What's left of the Big-XII

• 

There you have it. You can talk about basketball and academics, but it is football and tv sets that are driving this. On the football side, there are 7 schools that I would be willing to entertain as legitimate powers, and even among those there are some questions. After the first three or four of those remaining 7 are taken, the rest might all come down to tv sets and streaming devices.

I’d say this is 90% accurate. I think if 18 is the goal without divisions then we add 1-2 west coast schools. If 20 is the goal then we add 3 west coast schools to get them a 5 team division.

I’d love to see a North Carolina and Duke add as I think they come as a pair. But based on my previous statement that is unlikely. I think those are the only two schools that carry the name appeal to get over the mediocre at football hump.

I think there is also a potential that Texas to the sec may make A&M want to split. Unlikely, but not completely crazy.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I really want ND. I want their fans to come in like PSU did in 92. Then I want to watch them melt the fuck down as they inevitably slide into iowaness like PSU. Just another team that sucks Buckeye tailpipe. God that would be fantastic to watch.

 

[CincyInterloper]

I really want ND. I want their fans to come in like PSU did in 92. Then I want to watch them melt the fuck down as they inevitably slide into iowaness like PSU. Just another team that sucks Buckeye tailpipe. God that would be fantastic to watch.

On the one hand, I like the way you think. On the other, we already have TSUN and PSU. Do we really want to corner the market on deluded cult fans?

 

[Bill Lucas]

On the one hand, I like the way you think. On the other, we already have TSUN and PSU. Do we really want to corner the market on deluded cult fans?

That would require Texas A&M to come to the B1G.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

only gen xers and boomers are holding onto this feeling that notre dame should be in the big ten.

The fuck we do. Fuck those dumb Catholic cunts all the way up Holtz's old asshole.

Born 1977 and from Cincinnati. I have a special hatred for them like UK in BBall due to these fake ass fans during the 90s. Fuck dem clouds too! Rant over.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

If the big ten allows notre dame anything special then it will be the end of the conference. Texas’ special treatment completely destroyed the big 12. If the domers get special treatment then OSU needs to call up the sec.

On that note I wonder if usc and ucla will get full member money or the Rutgers Maryland treatment. If not it’s real shitty on the latter.

And I’ve got to say as an older millennial that only gen xers and boomers are holding onto this feeling that notre dame should be in the big ten. The rest of us don’t give a shit about them as they lost relevancy shortly after I was born. Gene smith is showing g his age.

I'd be shocked if they don't get full money on day one.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

And since we have gone from a Power 5 to a Power 2 that are gazing over the college football landscape and the "pick-me" programs that are left; who among the pick-me programs is worth taking from a football standpoint? How many legit football powers are outside of the Power 2 right now?

In the ACC you have:

• Clemson - not much history, but recent history is undeniable. They're a power right now; who knows what they'll be in the future
• FSU - They had a 15 year run that was one of the most impressive in CFB history. Haven't been much lately. Facilities are a joke
• Miami - Better school with better facilities, but otherwise they're FSU. A has been that keeps claiming they're back. Probably better chance at actually getting back than FSU.
• Notre Dame - Still have a huge following and Freeman is recruiting well. They're the biggest football power outside of the Power 2 right now, and yes, to me they're in the ACC bucket, even if they're walking around with that bucket stuck on one foot like a big goof.
  
• Sorry, but no one else. One of my criteria is that you have to have been a legitimate threat to win a national title at some point apart from having purchased one in the 70s (looking at you, Pitt).

In what's Left of the PAC-N--

• Washington - Been a power off and on throughout much of my life. Probably belong with the big boys
• Oregon - What happens when Phil Knight dies and Nike is run by someone who doesn't care about them? - Right now, they bring interest; what will they bring in 2050?
• Colorado - They've been good in the past, but they've been a dumpster fire for so long, can they be taken seriously?
  
• Sorry, but no one else. Stanford has been to a few Rose Bowls, but has never been a legitimate threat to win a national title. ASU is a notch below them in the football history department, but came closer to a national title on one occasion. Still no. No one else is worth a mention.

What's left of the Big-XII

• 

There you have it. You can talk about basketball and academics, but it is football and tv sets that are driving this. On the football side, there are 7 schools that I would be willing to entertain as legitimate powers, and even among those there are some questions. After the first three or four of those remaining 7 are taken, the rest might all come down to tv sets and streaming devices.

Thomas Jefferson U waves at you.

Maybe not a football power, but academics and every other sport (yeah, lacrosse bias hand is raised) make UVa a prime target in my mind.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

The fuck we do. Fuck those dumb Catholic cunts all the way up Holtz's old asshole.

Born 1977 and from Cincinnati. I have a special hatred for them like UK in BBall due to these fake ass fans during the 90s. Fuck dem clouds too! Rant over.

Born in ‘70. I have zero desire for ND being a B16 member. Fuck ‘em.

 

[Crump's brother]

Thomas Jefferson U waves at you.

Maybe not a football power, but academics and every other sport (yeah, lacrosse bias hand is raised) make UVa a prime target in my mind.

They would also give Merylind a reason for being in the conference. Contrived rivalries are annoying.