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Recruiting advantage: Play in the Rose Bowl every two years, see California. Recruiting disadvantage: Tougher to get kids out of California.
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When I was late teens/early 20s, I was out in California and wound up crashing in some USC students' apartment. Would have been early-mid 90s. The majority of the students living there were midwest/south/east coasters who took too much LSD. Was a girl from PA who was a total acid casualty, walked around the apartment in the nude, and at one point, her parent showed up to take her home for a "visit." She never came back.True, I just want to see Cali fans' faces when they meet PSU fans.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Academics matter, but I don't think they're completely driving this. NoCal market is a shitty, shitty college sports market (think Boston). Oregon and UW are just fine academically and provide much more football upside. UW fits right in to the upper tier publics (Us, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota) and actually does more research funding (driven by medical) than tsun. Oregon's AAU numbers are kind of tenuous, but they're in no danger of getting booted, and they'd fit in comfortably at the Iowa-Sparty-Hoosier-Boiler level.
People out west are wondering whether Cal and Stanford are viewing this as their chance to gracefully step away from the treadmill of big time college football and basketball. If we only add two more PAC schools, I'm pretty confident they will be Washington and Oregon.
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Yeah, it seems much of the reporting I have seen makes it clear that the socal schools felt they needed to go because the nocal schools were causing, wheter overtly or not, a de-emphasis on football in the PAC. I still think that you need 3 schools to make a pod if 20 is the magic number, Washington and Oregon for sure, then maybe Arizona or Colorado could squeak in. Arizona State is better located, but probably to crappy academically. I just imagine that the lack of viable road game trips for fans of the SoCal schools will be a huge problem, unless travel partners are brought in.
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/col...cle_1e4326e2-ee4f-546e-8969-1ee282fa5a5b.html
There's more content on the link than what I'll copy below.
I find the framing of the impact on ND interesting:
There's more content on the link than what I'll copy below.
I find the framing of the impact on ND interesting:
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https://theathletic.com/3394410/2022/07/01/notre-dame-acc-big-ten-independence/
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In 2020, the SEC generated $777.8 million of total revenue, with schools earning $54.6 million. The Big Ten generated about $680 million, with each school taking home an average of $46.1 million. Compare that to the ACC, which set a league record the same year at $578 million, up $80 million in the lone season Notre Dame played as a full member. That still only came out to a $36.1 million payout per school.
Those yawning gaps came before Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC and USC and UCLA joined the Big Ten. The ACC has added no inventory and is drowning under a television contract that’s not up for renewal until 2035-36. Stay with the ACC through that date and Notre Dame may be so far behind financially that it’s adrift in a potential new world of college athletics with unlimited coaching staffs and unlimited scholarships. There’s also the potential for Clemson, Florida State and Miami to bolt the ACC, leaving Notre Dame to ponder the point of the partnership altogether.
In that world, an NBC contract that already doesn’t match deals in the Big Ten and SEC likely gets worse without marquee opponents.
These are the books Swarbrick must attempt to balance. And rocketing expenses at some point need revenues to match. Some estimates have the Big Ten’s average payout per team at nearly $40 million more than the ACC’s per school by the end of the decade, and that’s before adding in USC and UCLA. It’s obviously before adding Notre Dame, too.
If Big Ten membership feels like Notre Dame is talking out of both sides of its mouth, it is. At least, it would have been.
Joining the conference 20 years ago meant boxing Notre Dame in geographically, taking a national brand and threatening to make it Penn State, only a couple of states west. But joining the Big Ten now does not mean what it meant last week. The conference’s western border isn’t Lincoln; it’s Los Angeles. The conference’s eastern border isn’t State College, it’s New York City and Washington, D.C. The Big Ten isn’t a regional outfit anymore; it’s college football’s only national association with a Notre Dame Law graduate leading it. Notre Dame joining the league wouldn’t preserve the league the way it did with the ACC. It would make the Big Ten unassailable in an industry where knives are always drawn.
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In 2020, the SEC generated $777.8 million of total revenue, with schools earning $54.6 million. The Big Ten generated about $680 million, with each school taking home an average of $46.1 million. Compare that to the ACC, which set a league record the same year at $578 million, up $80 million in the lone season Notre Dame played as a full member. That still only came out to a $36.1 million payout per school.
Those yawning gaps came before Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC and USC and UCLA joined the Big Ten. The ACC has added no inventory and is drowning under a television contract that’s not up for renewal until 2035-36. Stay with the ACC through that date and Notre Dame may be so far behind financially that it’s adrift in a potential new world of college athletics with unlimited coaching staffs and unlimited scholarships. There’s also the potential for Clemson, Florida State and Miami to bolt the ACC, leaving Notre Dame to ponder the point of the partnership altogether.
In that world, an NBC contract that already doesn’t match deals in the Big Ten and SEC likely gets worse without marquee opponents.
These are the books Swarbrick must attempt to balance. And rocketing expenses at some point need revenues to match. Some estimates have the Big Ten’s average payout per team at nearly $40 million more than the ACC’s per school by the end of the decade, and that’s before adding in USC and UCLA. It’s obviously before adding Notre Dame, too.
If Big Ten membership feels like Notre Dame is talking out of both sides of its mouth, it is. At least, it would have been.
Joining the conference 20 years ago meant boxing Notre Dame in geographically, taking a national brand and threatening to make it Penn State, only a couple of states west. But joining the Big Ten now does not mean what it meant last week. The conference’s western border isn’t Lincoln; it’s Los Angeles. The conference’s eastern border isn’t State College, it’s New York City and Washington, D.C. The Big Ten isn’t a regional outfit anymore; it’s college football’s only national association with a Notre Dame Law graduate leading it. Notre Dame joining the league wouldn’t preserve the league the way it did with the ACC. It would make the Big Ten unassailable in an industry where knives are always drawn.
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Those guys are jackasses, but they don't throw piss balloons or try to cornhole kids in the shower, AFAIK.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Urban Meyer Returns to Television, Praises UCLA and USC's "Natural Rivalries" on Big Ten Network
Urban Meyer: "I've seen conference realignment like we all have over the years. And quite honestly, it didn't make a lot of sense. You know, where this school is going to jump to this conference and there's not really a rivalry there. There's not a foundation for recruiting. But this one makes sense to me. I heard about this a while back and and I was like wow. I started scratching my head saying you know, can they really do this? And then you started, I lived in that world for so long that Ohio State and, you know, the Wolverines, and the... there are some great, great football players in Los Angeles. That when USC and UCLA are down a little bit you can go and cherrypick them a little bit. But now you're going to see the floodgates open up in my opinion because now those families will be able see their sons play. It makes a lot of sense to me. And academically, reputation, and there are natural rivalries between UCLA, USC and the Big Ten Conference."
Entire article: https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/ur...rk-ucla-usc-natural-rivals-video-01g6vqx11vvn
How did they manage to keep this a secret? You would have thought that it would have somehow leaked out?
Urban Meyer: "I've seen conference realignment like we all have over the years. And quite honestly, it didn't make a lot of sense. You know, where this school is going to jump to this conference and there's not really a rivalry there. There's not a foundation for recruiting. But this one makes sense to me. I heard about this a while back and and I was like wow. I started scratching my head saying you know, can they really do this? And then you started, I lived in that world for so long that Ohio State and, you know, the Wolverines, and the... there are some great, great football players in Los Angeles. That when USC and UCLA are down a little bit you can go and cherrypick them a little bit. But now you're going to see the floodgates open up in my opinion because now those families will be able see their sons play. It makes a lot of sense to me. And academically, reputation, and there are natural rivalries between UCLA, USC and the Big Ten Conference."
Entire article: https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/ur...rk-ucla-usc-natural-rivals-video-01g6vqx11vvn
How did they manage to keep this a secret? You would have thought that it would have somehow leaked out?
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