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A lot of people are really glossing over the fact that ESPN really has the ACC by the balls for 14 more years. And in those 14 years can fuck over the Big 10/Pac 12 with a more robust package to ACC that gets them back on the boat with the SEC.
The ACC really has a shitload of leverage here…..and that’s kinda disappointing to see as a Big 10 fan (even though I’m an FSU grad).
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I just said this in regards to your previous point, but the ACC can terminate and renegotiate their GOR if they expand. If ESPN doesn't want to pay, they can go to FOX or any other network.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
No. The UK is perfect. A snobbish, former empire that still thinks it's the shit but, in reality, hasn't been relevant since 1948 (the year coincidentally of tsun's last true championship and the British Empire giving up the crown jewel).
And everyone knows that Cal should be the USSR.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
What leverage does espn have. They can't lower their payout based on how ACC schools vote. Yes, the ACC has some leverage, but I don't think it's all that much. Are Pitt, UNC, UVA, Wake, Duke, NCSU or BC going to turn their back on The Alliance to become bottom bitches for the SEC and ESPN? I don't think so, and that's the whole reason for them joining The Alliance: they need us more than we need them.
I think the ACC does have a couple of Fredos in it in Clemson, FSU, Louisville and maybe VaTech (that one is a stretch though), but even if they vote with the SEC, The Alliance still has a comfortable majority. And I'd bet that the B12 schools are pretty much in the bank to vote against the SEC.
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The ACC has no leverage. At all. Nobody is watching the product unless and until FSU and Miami are both national superpowers again, and even then that'll only marginally move the needle.
All credit to Dabo for what he's built, but Clemson is not a national brand. Two years ago (non-COVID affected viewership #s) the Clemson-Virginia ACC Championship game drew under 4 million viewers. Clemson-Pitt the year before was 4.2mm. Clemson-Miami in 2017 was 5.4mm. FSU/GT back in 2012 was under 2 million.
When Ohio St plays Northwestern in the B1G title game it draws over 8 million. Ohio St-Wisconsin in 2019 drew 13.9 million!
ESPN can prop up the ACC and overpay for the broadcast rights all they want, it won't increase revenue for anybody. This is precisely why the ACC got such a long term shit TV deal after Delaney poached the Terps. With the destruction of the Big XII, the ACC is now the bottom-feeder of the Power 4.
The ACC will gain far more from this alliance than either the B1G or the Pac 12.
All credit to Dabo for what he's built, but Clemson is not a national brand. Two years ago (non-COVID affected viewership #s) the Clemson-Virginia ACC Championship game drew under 4 million viewers. Clemson-Pitt the year before was 4.2mm. Clemson-Miami in 2017 was 5.4mm. FSU/GT back in 2012 was under 2 million.
When Ohio St plays Northwestern in the B1G title game it draws over 8 million. Ohio St-Wisconsin in 2019 drew 13.9 million!
ESPN can prop up the ACC and overpay for the broadcast rights all they want, it won't increase revenue for anybody. This is precisely why the ACC got such a long term shit TV deal after Delaney poached the Terps. With the destruction of the Big XII, the ACC is now the bottom-feeder of the Power 4.
The ACC will gain far more from this alliance than either the B1G or the Pac 12.
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So supposedly Dave Wanstedt has gone on the radio (670 in Chicago) and stated that the Pac, B1G and ACC will be taking 5 of the remaining Big XII programs.
- OSU and KSU to the Pac-12
- WVU to the ACC
- KU and Iowa State to the Big Ten
Supposedly this was leaked last week at the Fox/conference meetings, but could be total BS. Hopefully BS or a lot of pissed off people in the near future.
- OSU and KSU to the Pac-12
- WVU to the ACC
- KU and Iowa State to the Big Ten
Supposedly this was leaked last week at the Fox/conference meetings, but could be total BS. Hopefully BS or a lot of pissed off people in the near future.
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Well I guess TCU, Texas Tech and Baylor get relegated to the WAC ....
Ouch ! I'm sure their fanbases are overjoyed by this. Their hate for UT will be dialed up to 11 .....
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I'd also think that if this is true, 2 more schools could join the PAC to get to 16, so they (the Texas schools) could theoretically lose out to Truck Driver U or UNLV.
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Dave Revsine astutely points out that these are the three leagues not represented in the CFP expansion proposal conducted in June. That panel was Bowlsby (B12), Sankey (SEC), Thompson (Mountain West) and Swarbrick (ND).
News conference beginning on BTN now.
News conference beginning on BTN now.
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https://bigten.org/news/2021/8/24/general-acc-big-ten-and-pac-12-announce-historic-alliance.aspx
8/24/2021 2:00:00 PM
ACC, BIG TEN AND PAC-12 ANNOUNCE HISTORIC ALLIANCE
41 World-Class Institutions Across Three Autonomy 5 Conferences to Collaborate on the Future Evolution of College Athletics and an Inter-Conference Scheduling Alliance
GREENSBORO, NC & ROSEMONT, IL & SAN FRANCISCO, CA – The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 today announced an historic alliance that will bring 41 world-class institutions together on a collaborative approach surrounding the future evolution of college athletics and scheduling.
The alliance – which was unanimously supported by the presidents, chancellors and athletics directors at all 41 institutions – will be guided in all cases by a commitment to, and prioritization of, supporting student-athlete well-being, academic and athletic opportunities, experiences and diverse educational programming. The three conferences are grounded in their support of broad-based athletic programs, the collegiate model and opportunities for student-athletes as part of the educational missions of the institutions.
The three conferences remain competitors in every sense but are committed to collaborating and providing thought leadership on various opportunities and challenges facing college athletics, including:
The football scheduling alliance will feature additional attractive matchups across the three conferences while continuing to honor historic rivalries and the best traditions of college football.
In women’s and men’s basketball, the three conferences will add early and mid-season games as well as annual events that feature premier matchups between the three leagues.
The three conferences will also explore opportunities for the vast and exceptional Olympic Sports programs to compete more frequently and forge additional attractive and meaningful rivalries.
The future scheduling component will benefit student-athletes and fans by offering new and memorable experiences that will extend coast-to-coast, across all time zones. The competition will bring a new level of excitement to the fans of the 41 schools while also allowing teams and conferences to have flexibility to continue to play opponents from other conferences, independents and various teams from other subdivisions.
“The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 recognize the unique environment and challenges currently facing intercollegiate athletics, and we are proud and confident in this timely and necessary alliance that brings together like-minded institutions and conferences focused on the overall educational missions of our preeminent institutions,” said ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips. “The alliance will ensure that the educational outcomes and experiences for student-athletes participating at the highest level of collegiate athletics will remain the driving factor in all decisions moving forward.”
“Student-athletes have been and will remain the focal point of the Big Ten, ACC and PAC-12 Conferences” said Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren. “Today, through this alliance, we furthered our commitment to our student-athletes by prioritizing our academics and athletics value systems. We are creating opportunities for student-athletes to have elite competition and are taking the necessary steps to shape and stabilize the future of college athletics.”
“The historic alliance announced today between the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten is grounded in a commitment to our student-athletes,” said Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff. “We believe that collaborating together we are stronger in our commitment to addressing the broad issues and opportunities facing college athletics.”
The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences include:
Quotes from the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 CEO chairs:
Duke University President & Chair of the ACC Board of Directors Vincent E. Price
“The alliance is first and foremost a statement about the vital connection of academic excellence to college athletics. Our members include 41 of the top public and private universities in the world which will soon have new ways to compete at the very highest levels in sports, and to collaborate in education, research and service to society. Together we will be able to use our strong voice and united vision to create the best possible experience for our student-athletes and institutions.”
University of Wisconsin Chancellor and Big Ten Conference Council of Presidents/Chancellors (COP/C) Chair Dr. Rebecca Blank:
“The Big Ten Conference has always prioritized academic excellence as well as athletic excellence for student-athletes. Today’s announcement reinforces the values of integrity, fairness and competitiveness among all members of this alliance and provides additional opportunities for our student-athletes to enhance their collegiate experience.”
University of Oregon President & Chair of the Pac-12 Board of Directors Michael Schill
"The Pac-12 is thrilled to join with so many world-class universities in a collaborative effort to support our student-athletes through an unwavering commitment to excellence in academics and athletics.Together we can help shape a future for college athletics where broad-based athletic programs in concert with educational opportunities allow us to support the next generation of leaders."
8/24/2021 2:00:00 PM
ACC, BIG TEN AND PAC-12 ANNOUNCE HISTORIC ALLIANCE
41 World-Class Institutions Across Three Autonomy 5 Conferences to Collaborate on the Future Evolution of College Athletics and an Inter-Conference Scheduling Alliance
GREENSBORO, NC & ROSEMONT, IL & SAN FRANCISCO, CA – The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 today announced an historic alliance that will bring 41 world-class institutions together on a collaborative approach surrounding the future evolution of college athletics and scheduling.
The alliance – which was unanimously supported by the presidents, chancellors and athletics directors at all 41 institutions – will be guided in all cases by a commitment to, and prioritization of, supporting student-athlete well-being, academic and athletic opportunities, experiences and diverse educational programming. The three conferences are grounded in their support of broad-based athletic programs, the collegiate model and opportunities for student-athletes as part of the educational missions of the institutions.
The three conferences remain competitors in every sense but are committed to collaborating and providing thought leadership on various opportunities and challenges facing college athletics, including:
- Student-athlete mental and physical health, safety, wellness and support
- Strong academic experience and support
- Diversity, equity and inclusion
- Social justice
- Gender equity
- Future structure of the NCAA
- Federal legislative efforts
- Postseason championships and future formats
The football scheduling alliance will feature additional attractive matchups across the three conferences while continuing to honor historic rivalries and the best traditions of college football.
In women’s and men’s basketball, the three conferences will add early and mid-season games as well as annual events that feature premier matchups between the three leagues.
The three conferences will also explore opportunities for the vast and exceptional Olympic Sports programs to compete more frequently and forge additional attractive and meaningful rivalries.
The future scheduling component will benefit student-athletes and fans by offering new and memorable experiences that will extend coast-to-coast, across all time zones. The competition will bring a new level of excitement to the fans of the 41 schools while also allowing teams and conferences to have flexibility to continue to play opponents from other conferences, independents and various teams from other subdivisions.
“The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 recognize the unique environment and challenges currently facing intercollegiate athletics, and we are proud and confident in this timely and necessary alliance that brings together like-minded institutions and conferences focused on the overall educational missions of our preeminent institutions,” said ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips. “The alliance will ensure that the educational outcomes and experiences for student-athletes participating at the highest level of collegiate athletics will remain the driving factor in all decisions moving forward.”
“Student-athletes have been and will remain the focal point of the Big Ten, ACC and PAC-12 Conferences” said Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren. “Today, through this alliance, we furthered our commitment to our student-athletes by prioritizing our academics and athletics value systems. We are creating opportunities for student-athletes to have elite competition and are taking the necessary steps to shape and stabilize the future of college athletics.”
“The historic alliance announced today between the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten is grounded in a commitment to our student-athletes,” said Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff. “We believe that collaborating together we are stronger in our commitment to addressing the broad issues and opportunities facing college athletics.”
The ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences include:
- World-leading academic institutions committed to the shared values of supporting the next generation of leaders.
- Innovative research that benefits communities around the world.
- 27 of the 34 Autonomy 5 members in Association of American Universities (AAU).
- 34 institutions ranked in the Top 100 national universities by US News & World Report.
- Broad-based athletic and academic programs.
- A long heritage of leadership in diversity, equity and inclusion.
- Over 27,000 student-athletes competing on 863 teams in 31 sports.
- A combined 1,019 NCAA Championships.
- Longstanding relationships across bowl partnerships, men’s and women’s basketball challenges and Olympic Sport events.
- 194 Olympic medals won in Tokyo by current, former and future student-athletes.
- Some of the most iconic and historic venues in college sports.
- Hundreds of millions of dollars in direct annual institutional support of student-athlete scholarships.
- Over $15 billion in annual federal research support, nearly one-third of the total across all colleges and universities.
Quotes from the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 CEO chairs:
Duke University President & Chair of the ACC Board of Directors Vincent E. Price
“The alliance is first and foremost a statement about the vital connection of academic excellence to college athletics. Our members include 41 of the top public and private universities in the world which will soon have new ways to compete at the very highest levels in sports, and to collaborate in education, research and service to society. Together we will be able to use our strong voice and united vision to create the best possible experience for our student-athletes and institutions.”
University of Wisconsin Chancellor and Big Ten Conference Council of Presidents/Chancellors (COP/C) Chair Dr. Rebecca Blank:
“The Big Ten Conference has always prioritized academic excellence as well as athletic excellence for student-athletes. Today’s announcement reinforces the values of integrity, fairness and competitiveness among all members of this alliance and provides additional opportunities for our student-athletes to enhance their collegiate experience.”
University of Oregon President & Chair of the Pac-12 Board of Directors Michael Schill
"The Pac-12 is thrilled to join with so many world-class universities in a collaborative effort to support our student-athletes through an unwavering commitment to excellence in academics and athletics.Together we can help shape a future for college athletics where broad-based athletic programs in concert with educational opportunities allow us to support the next generation of leaders."
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