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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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Texas is never coming to the B1G. They'd rather do (in order): 1) rule the Big 12 until they kill it, 2) go independent, 3) join the Pac12 with a number of their "yes men"/minions for votes to suit their interests, 4) join the B1G
 
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cincibuck said:
I'd think #4 would be SEC, not the Big Ten.
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Won't join the SEC either. They'll never join any conference where they are simply one school at the table. They either want explicit special treatment or a group of yes-men schools to vote their wishes.

Can you imagine the cancerous scheming that would happen if they AND the domers ever joined the BIG. They'd destroy it within a decade. Let both of them wander in the fucking wilderness for forty years.
 
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cincibuck said:
Outside of retired Studebaker workers, Indiana is hardly ND's market strength. Try Chicago, Cincinnati, Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, DC, New Jersey, Connecticut. Why else would the Big Ten try so hard to bring them in? Why else would NBC continue to carry them?

Once you put Okie and Texas in the pool you're going to face a constant battle to keep the focus and the brand identity north of St. Louis. For me, that's a major reason to look elsewhere - Finally, Texas has a fine academic rep now - 1. Where will that be if future governors keep attacking higher ed the way the last three have? 2. And what will the PC faculty folks at Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio State, Northwestern and Minnie do when they discover the quad surrounded by statues of CSA generals?

Maybe the secesh movement will succeed and I won't need to worry about Texas being admitted to the Big Ten again.
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What's really shocking about Texas is that, given their resources, they should be so much better academically. They really should be a peer of Berkeley or Michigan and not just in their egotistical brains. Texas funds UT-Austin at a level different and higher than any other public university in the state, and they have the oil money endowment. Contrast that with Ohio State which (since the 60s) gets funded exactly the same as every other public university, which means that the state subsidy for a kid with 32 on his ACT at Ohio State is exactly the same as for the kid with 22 at OU. The Ph.D candidate enrolled in Ohio State's top 15 political science program generates the exact same amount of state support as the candidate at Bowling Green or Akron's program that can't crack the top 100 nationally. Now add that we weren't given billions of dollars in oil revenue and have had to actually build up our $3.5B endowment the old fashioned way by having alumni give back to the university. Imagine if the state just handed us another $7B for the endowment.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Won't join the SEC either. They'll never join any conference where they are simply one school at the table. They either want explicit special treatment or a group of yes-men schools to vote their wishes.

Can you imagine the cancerous scheming that would happen if they AND the domers ever joined the BIG. They'd destroy it within a decade. Let both of them wander in the fucking wilderness for forty years.
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Gets my vote.
 
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cincibuck said:
Outside of retired Studebaker workers, Indiana is hardly ND's market strength. Try Chicago, Cincinnati, Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, DC, New Jersey, Connecticut. Why else would the Big Ten try so hard to bring them in? Why else would NBC continue to carry them?

Once you put Okie and Texas in the pool you're going to face a constant battle to keep the focus and the brand identity north of St. Louis. For me, that's a major reason to look elsewhere - Finally, Texas has a fine academic rep now - 1. Where will that be if future governors keep attacking higher ed the way the last three have? 2. And what will the PC faculty folks at Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio State, Northwestern and Minnie do when they discover the quad surrounded by statues of CSA generals?

Maybe the secesh movement will succeed and I won't need to worry about Texas being admitted to the Big Ten again.
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It doesn't matter as much how many people watch, but how many additional TVs would it create. That was my comparison to IU/PU/NU/IL. Not pretending that any, or even all combined, would outnumber ND's following. But added markets by adding ND would be relatively small. I'm assuming BTN has Chicago, Cincinnati, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, DC, and NJ based on current teams. Maybe Boston and Connecticut too. I don't know. But that was my argument. BTN market base. Not actual viewership. But very valid points. I would still imagine TX is the #1 get even with the flaws.
 
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I enjoy this thread because it contained in it the demise of the big east. It at one point showed signs of the ACC demise. Now I check it to see how far the big 12 has fallen. But frankly I don't want any of those teams. We have watered down the big ten enough. I do t mind Nebraska and I was young when ped joined so I see them as big ten. Maryland and Rutgers will bring in a lot of money and expand the recruiting base. But frankly the only school worth bringing in from the b12 is texas and I don't want their shit. 10 years ago we would have put up with it but now I say let them go fuck up another league or do it notre same style. Oklahoma looks good for football and tradition but that is a dying state population wise. They bring no money to the table. Kansas looks great for academics and bball but also a state people want to leave. The money is in the east coast for population. the only programs worth getting are in Texas and that's just for the cable revenue, and all the schools but Texas and atm don't have enough tradition. That leaves trying to pick off the ACC and I don't really want any of them either.
 
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dragurd said:
Well the idea here is cash mostly. Plus ensuring your status as one of the 2 Kings of college football forever more. You essentially killed Big12 and ACC on the SEC is done. The Pac12 remains forever isolated on the West Coast. The Big10 has both large markets and growing population markets now.. Only the SEC can hope to come close to you in power at that point. However they are essentially hemmed in in the South East with Northern ad Western expansion limited to alsorans who would need to be elevated.
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But at 20 it starts to reach critical mass and eventually a block is going to become discontented and break off.
**ESPECIALLY** if that 20 includes such entities as Texas AND Notre Dame.
No thanks. Personally I want no part of ND... don't see what they add. They're perennially over-rated competition wise. They don't fit the profile of the conference at all. We already have 2 shitty schools in Indiana. The best you can say is that they'd add some viewers on the coasts... but w/o actually expanding the conference footprint. No thanks.
At least Texas actually fits the University profile - even if they'd be a terribly disruptive entity always looking for an out to dominate their own small pool again (just like ND and PSU), and their regional culture has some highly questionable elements (Confederates!)
This time last year I was all about adding Texas and OU... now... after spending some time on Shaggy... no thanks. Let them go to the PAC. I think it's win-win-win. We dodge another PSU-esque bullet. Texas gets to play big dog in their own little weak division w/a lot of ex-BXII members. And the PAC gets to 16 with solid stability.

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I enjoy this thread because it contained in it the demise of the big east. It at one point showed signs of the ACC demise. Now I check it to see how far the big 12 has fallen. But frankly I don't want any of those teams. We have watered down the big ten enough. I do t mind Nebraska and I was young when ped joined so I see them as big ten. Maryland and Rutgers will bring in a lot of money and expand the recruiting base. But frankly the only school worth bringing in from the b12 is texas and I don't want their [Mark May]. 10 years ago we would have put up with it but now I say let them go fuck up another league or do it notre same style. Oklahoma looks good for football and tradition but that is a dying state population wise. They bring no money to the table. Kansas looks great for academics and bball but also a state people want to leave. The money is in the east coast for population. the only programs worth getting are in Texas and that's just for the cable revenue, and all the schools but Texas and atm don't have enough tradition. That leaves trying to pick off the ACC and I don't really want any of them either.
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I'd take UVA in a heartbeat. More revenue and recruiting just like Maryland and Rutgers.
A second one from that group is difficult... UNC would've been obvious if not for scandal.
The ACC will stick around with ND, FSU, Miami, BC, Pitt as a core... and add Mid Majors as they need. That's where they have an advantage over BXII even if they'll always be last place in revenue... there's plenty of Louisvilles, UConns, Cincis close enough to claim and remain good enough.
 
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Big Ten football fans, see if the following slate of conference games would interest you:


Oklahoma vs. Wisconsin; Nebraska vs. Texas A&M; Iowa vs. Iowa State; Minnesota vs. Kansas.
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Nope. Not interested one damn bit.
Minnesota vs Kansas? Are you fucking kidding me?

That being said Kansas would actually pay for themselves on the BB side of the equation. Look up their total revenue sometime...it's pretty shocking.

BTW team #15 will be UConn...just ask their fans.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
I enjoy this thread because it contained in it the demise of the big east. It at one point showed signs of the ACC demise. Now I check it to see how far the big 12 has fallen. But frankly I don't want any of those teams. We have watered down the big ten enough. I do t mind Nebraska and I was young when ped joined so I see them as big ten. Maryland and Rutgers will bring in a lot of money and expand the recruiting base. But frankly the only school worth bringing in from the b12 is texas and I don't want their [Mark May]. 10 years ago we would have put up with it but now I say let them go fuck up another league or do it notre same style. Oklahoma looks good for football and tradition but that is a dying state population wise. They bring no money to the table. Kansas looks great for academics and bball but also a state people want to leave. The money is in the east coast for population. the only programs worth getting are in Texas and that's just for the cable revenue, and all the schools but Texas and atm don't have enough tradition. That leaves trying to pick off the ACC and I don't really want any of them either.
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You'd rather have TexASS, ATM or Kansas instead of UNC/UVA or Georgia Tech? :roll1:
 
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