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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Have to admit that if okie does a full Marcus Hall on the Big Texan and bolts for the SEC!, I will laugh heartily. That'll mean that UT's two biggest rivals and their semi-rival in the Corn couldn't run away from them and their bull[Mark May] fast enough.

At what point does one come to the realization that it's not them, it's you.
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Everybody knows that if Oklahoma or Kansas (or pretty much any school in the Big XII that doesn't have a cow as it's mascot) got an invite to the B1G, they would take it in about 2 seconds.
 
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cincibuck said:
Well, it would give Indiana a shot at winning a conference game. It might add sales appeal for basketball, but frankly who wants OU with their history of violations and weak academics outside of oil research?

The conference is also entering into diminishing returns territory. Would OU and Kansas add enough value to maintain the same per school revenue level? Also wonder about little brothers - can either school depart without dragging the kid brother along?
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I assume b/c Purdont would move over?
 
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cincibuck said:
Well, it would give Indiana a shot at winning a conference game. It might add sales appeal for basketball, but frankly who wants OU with their history of violations and weak academics outside of oil research?

The conference is also entering into diminishing returns territory. Would OU and Kansas add enough value to maintain the same per school revenue level? Also wonder about little brothers - can either school depart without dragging the kid brother along?
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I honestly think the Big10 wants to go to 20 and I think as I stated earlier UT, OU, KU, UVA, UNC, GT/ND would be their dream scenario. Now if it ends anywhere close to that Jim Delaney is a damn evil genius.
 
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dragurd said:
I honestly think the Big10 wants to go to 20 and I think as I stated earlier UT, OU, KU, UVA, UNC, GT/ND would be their dream scenario. Now if it ends anywhere close to that Jim Delaney is a damn evil genius.
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I don't see it getting to 20. I think 16 is a good number. At 20, if you face every team in your division you would have 9 conference games without a single crossover. With 16 you could play everyone with 2 crossovers and be at 9. Market-wise Texas is the prize, and I wouldn't hate if the B1G had to take on Oklahoma to get them. Could be much worse. ND is kind of overrated as an addition since they wouldn't add many more TV's since there's already IN/IL members, but obviously regardless of how much they are hated they would still be a great addition even if they don't add as many TVs as a NC would.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
I don't see it getting to 20. I think 16 is a good number. At 20, if you face every team in your division you would have 9 conference games without a single crossover. With 16 you could play everyone with 2 crossovers and be at 9. Market-wise Texas is the prize, and I wouldn't hate if the B1G had to take on Oklahoma to get them. Could be much worse.
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The idea is with 20 you could have 4 groups of 5 and essentially play everyone in 3 years if you wanted to with a 9 game conf schedule. Also I'm not sure the Big10 wants to give up on either the SE or the SW. The west could really use the balance a OU, UT, and KU would provide. And the only way you are getting both is at least 18 and 20 is a lot less unwieldy.
 
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dragurd said:
The idea is with 20 you could have 4 groups of 5 and essentially play everyone in 3 years if you wanted to with a 9 game conf schedule. Also I'm not sure the Big10 wants to give up on either the SE or the SW. The west could really use the balance a OU, UT, and KU would provide. And the only way you are getting both is at least 18 and 20 is a lot less unwieldy.
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Even if you have 4 groups of 5, I'm assuming there's stil only 1 B1G championship game and not a final 4. so you would still have a situation where the 2 teams did not face everyone on their side. Unless you mean any 2 groups could have a team advance. Such as, if there is a North South East West, it would be any 2 of those 4. Tiebreaker could be a mother fucker though.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Even if you have 4 groups of 5, I'm assuming there's stil only 1 B1G championship game and not a final 4. so you would still have a situation where the 2 teams did not face everyone on their side. Unless you mean any 2 groups could have a team advance. Such as, if there is a North South East West, it would be any 2 of those 4. Tiebreaker could be a mother fucker though.
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Essentially the best bet in that case would be floating divisions. Where the your division plus the division you played would be a one and the the divisions you didn't play would be on the other side. Probably need some rule changes to make that wok though
 
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dragurd said:
Essentially the best bet in that case would be floating divisions. Where the your division plus the division you played would be a one and the the divisions you didn't play would be on the other side. Probably need some rule changes to make that wok though
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But getting back to that, even if it is floating divisions in a given year you would still play the other 4 in yours and the 5 in the other, getting to 9 already. Or don't play every team on your side that year.
 
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jlb1705 said:
Do people really think they'll do pods or floating divisions when people couldn't even figure out "Legends" and "Leaders"?
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Well the idea here is cash mostly. Plus ensuring your status as one of the 2 Kings of college football forever more. You essentially killed Big12 and ACC on the SEC is done. The Pac12 remains forever isolated on the West Coast. The Big10 has both large markets and growing population markets now.. Only the SEC can hope to come close to you in power at that point. However they are essentially hemmed in in the South East with Northern ad Western expansion limited to alsorans who would need to be elevated.
 
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If we are doing rule changes, I want the conference schedule to be as follows.

One or two protected rivalries.

The rest of the conference schedule should then be based on strength of schedule. The better you are, the better teams you play, and the more TV money we make.

I understand that means we would likely never play Indiana again. Fine with that.


This thread used to be like crack to me. Just couldn't get enough.
 
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Lol I'm just waiting for the BigXII to finally realize it's dead which it will have to at some point unless ESPN/Fox keep propping it up with contracts more than they are worth or something catastrophic happens that tears apart the ACC's core.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
ND is kind of overrated as an addition since they wouldn't add many more TV's since there's already IN/IL members, but obviously regardless of how much they are hated they would still be a great addition even if they don't add as many TVs as a NC would.
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Outside of retired Studebaker workers, Indiana is hardly ND's market strength. Try Chicago, Cincinnati, Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, DC, New Jersey, Connecticut. Why else would the Big Ten try so hard to bring them in? Why else would NBC continue to carry them?

Once you put Okie and Texas in the pool you're going to face a constant battle to keep the focus and the brand identity north of St. Louis. For me, that's a major reason to look elsewhere - Finally, Texas has a fine academic rep now - 1. Where will that be if future governors keep attacking higher ed the way the last three have? 2. And what will the PC faculty folks at Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio State, Northwestern and Minnie do when they discover the quad surrounded by statues of CSA generals?

Maybe the secesh movement will succeed and I won't need to worry about Texas being admitted to the Big Ten again.
 
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