Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Muck]

I'm sure there would be complaining, but that would really be ridiculous reasoning. 3 of those 4 are better academically then some AAU members.

BC is of no benefit to the CIC & FSU would be a drain until they got up to speed. Georgia Tech is of course a home run.

Would GT (plus Maryland & Rutgers) be enough to get them to relent on BC & FSU? I dunno.

 

[DaveyBoy]

Yes, this would be enough to entice the B1G to forego the AAU membership requirement.

1. AAU membership is not guaranteed even for current members...just ask Nebraska

2. While the B1G's strategy for the most recent round of expansion was to gain footholds in major media markets, this round would be to improve the on-field product to levels rivaling the SEC.

3. I'd rather see BC swapped with Syracuse or UConn....or UVa

BC is of no benefit to the CIC & FSU would be a drain until they got up to speed. Georgia Tech is of course a home run.

Would GT (plus Maryland & Rutgers) be enough to get them to relent on BC & FSU? I dunno.

 

[Muck]

Yes, this would be enough to entice the B1G to forego the AAU membership requirement.

1. AAU membership is not guaranteed even for current members...just ask Nebraska

Various B1G presidents were VERY unhappy with the addition of Nebraska due to academics. They are not going to let the academic side be watered down even more (even if it is just perception).

2. While the B1G's strategy for the most recent round of expansion was to gain footholds in major media markets, this round would be to improve the on-field product to levels rivaling the SEC.

According to whom?

Notre Dame isn't about on-field product. Notre Dame is about marketing.
FSU maybe, but getting into FL would be more important.

If the B1G were worried about 'rivaling' the SEC they would lower recruiting & entrance standards.

3. I'd rather see BC swapped with Syracuse or UConn....or UVa

The only reason BC would be considered is to partner with ND. BC doesn't get you Boston, but combining them with ND does.

Syracuse & UConn add nothing.

 

[DaveyBoy]

Uconn compliments the NYC market and is bigger in Boston than BC


AAU membership is a fleeting thing for many schools. It has been widely speculated that one of the reasons for Nebraska's expulsion was that AAU President is from Texas and wielded his authority in a manner not exemplary of AAU fashion.

ND improves the BigTen on the field. That is absolutely indisputable.
FSU does as well.
GT - so so....like MSU.
BC - less than MSU...think Purdue.

I'd rather have UVa than BC...but if that is what it took to get ND then hell yes.

by the way....there is no friggin' way ND will ever...EVER join the B1G now.

Various B1G presidents were VERY unhappy with the addition of Nebraska due to academics. They are not going to let the academic side be watered down any more (even if it is just perception).

According to whom?

Notre Dame isn't about on-field product. Notre Dame is about marketing.
FSU maybe, but getting into FL would be more important.

The only reason BC would be considered is to partner with ND. BC doesn't get you Boston, but ND does.

Syracuse & UConn add nothing.

 

[Muck]

Uconn compliments the NYC market and is bigger in Boston than BC

Again BC doesn't get you Boston, neither does UConn. But ND playing in Boston every other year certainly would and guess which one of those schools ND would prefer?

AAU membership is a fleeting thing for many schools.

Fleeting? Do you know how many schools have ever left the AAU? Four. Of those two left due to a change in focus away from research. One left after being censured by the AAU over academic freedom. The fourth was Nebraska.

Fleeting is the last word that should be used in regards to AAU membership.

It has been widely speculated that one of the reasons for Nebraska's expulsion was that AAU President is from Texas and wielded his authority in a manner not exemplary of AAU fashion.

Did he force TSUN & Wisconsin to vote them out?
Did he force Pearlman to lose his mind and give an idiotic presentation and alienate the voters?

ND improves the BigTen on the field. That is absolutely indisputable.

How many times over the past 20 years would ND have been above average in the B1G?

Regardless you missed the point....what leads you to believe that the league's primary goal in the next expansion moves is increasing on the field performance?

by the way....there is no friggin' way ND will ever...EVER join the B1G now.

Why do you think they are less likely now than they were 5 years ago?

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I believe I truely get the CIC and AAU arguments but i'm starting to not give a shit....I would like to see some good football next

 

[Muck]

UC emails reveal ACC dilemma

The latest blizzard of universities jumping from one conference to another spurred a flurry of email among University of Cincinnati officials last month. UC leaders believed the school could get into the Atlantic Coast Conference with the Big 12 as a secondary option, the emails show.

.../cont/...

.../snip/...

The email and other documents, obtained by The Enquirer through an Ohio Public Records Act request, also show that UC tried to enlist Ohio State University football coach Urban Meyer, whose sister works at UC. Urban used to coach at Notre Dame, which has joined the ACC for sports other than football.

But Meyer eventually backed away from that request.

?While he is comfortable telling folks he cares deeply for UC and that he knows we are a great school, with great people and great leadership, he thinks his calls would feel contrived and that they would not have an impact,? wrote Gigi Escoe, a vice provost at UC and Meyer?s sister, to Babcock Nov. 27

.../snip/...

The Urban emails.

 

[jlb1705]

UC emails reveal ACC dilemma



The Urban emails.

The last time an Ohio State coach got personally involved in conference expansion discussions via email, it turned into kind of a mess. I'm glad Coach Meyer is staying out of it.

 

[CincyInterloper]

I believe I truely get the CIC and AAU arguments but i'm starting to not give a [Mark May]....I would like to see some good football next

To put things in perspective, Ohio State's total expenditures on research in 2011 were $832 million. The total athletic revenue was 48.7 million. How much extra revenue would adding FSU really bring in, and would this justify lowing academic standards.


http://research.osu.edu/osu-research/profile/

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/31/ohio-states-football-budget/

 

[jwinslow]

FSU does not fix the B1G reputation. Once they are no longer an officially sponsored conference member, Herbie would suddenly start pointing out how consistently they fail.

 

[Buckeye737]

FSU does not fix the B1G reputation. Once they are no longer an officially sponsored conference member, Herbie would suddenly start pointing out how consistently they fail.

I'm sure FSU's speed would immediately come into question as well.

 

[Saw31]

Does FSU play in space?

 

[Bleed S & G]

FSU does not fix the B1G reputation. Once they are no longer an officially sponsored conference member, Herbie would suddenly start pointing out how consistently they fail.

We're doomed. This post is dead on.

 

[redguard117]

At the very least, they would add another perennial top 10 recruiting power to the B1G. At the moment it's just us and scUM. They would also provide a pipeline to a demographically thriving area, ripe with blue chip recruits. This might not be too important for us, since we already recruit Florida well, but if a program like Indiana manages to go from recruiting 10 2* and 10 3* recruits every year, to 5 2* and 15 3* recruits, overtime that can really change the talent level and depth of a program.

It's tough to compete against the SEC when they recruit like

and we recruit like

 

[BUCKYLE]

The thing about adding a FSU type of program is...are there any good sized markets with a good amount od B1G alumni that currently do not carry the BTN on basic? If so, adding FSU could provoke enough casual CFB fans to speak up and bump the BTN up a tier.