UpNorth_Buckeye
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Oh8ch;2157303; said:
What are you talking about? You can clearly see DD, or am I just missing something here?
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What are you talking about? You can clearly see DD, or am I just missing something here?
HorseshoeFetish
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CentralMOBuck;2157309; said:This is all I am seeing as well.
Damn I thought I went to BP...my bad..Must have went to history instead of bookmarks. This could be a election coup for the guy that promises about 5 million jobs of this nature. I would even alternate hands if need be.
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BuckTwenty
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The most interesting thing about all of this is that with the Big XII/SEC bowl game and the Rose Bowl basically putting all of the power into 4 conferences, this will finally be the point where Notre Dame has to make a decision on a conference or risk being (officially) completely irrelevant. It also makes not only the entire Big East, but the entire ACC completely irrelevant in college football.
I can't believe we're just now starting to hear about this latest round of expansion involving ACC teams. It's making this all seem like it's happening so fast. According to Shaggy, they've been talking about FSU and Clemson to the Big XII since late March (warning: 100+ page thread).
I can't believe we're just now starting to hear about this latest round of expansion involving ACC teams. It's making this all seem like it's happening so fast. According to Shaggy, they've been talking about FSU and Clemson to the Big XII since late March (warning: 100+ page thread).
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
So I've gotten a chance to read the last 2 days of the 100+ page thread... had 5 loads of laundry to do tonight and had nothing else better to do.
The horns have convinced themselves that the Big XII lead for ND in the expansion race and that ND is wanting Pitt to join them in the conference if they were to join (?). However, in reality, the Pitt expansion talk probably is more about WVU wanting their biggest rival back in the same conference with them (WVU is stirring a lot of the expansion for the Big XII). The talk about ND joining though, possibly as a full member, sounds to be real... but how real is the question. The Irish joining as a partial member seems much more realistic. Most of the conference wants to jump on FSU and Clemson, but apparently Texas brass are telling the rest of the conference to slow down because they would like FSU and ND to join first together, then add from there to keep the Big XII from adding craptastic teams just to get to 14 (like Louisville). Texas's AD has been working on ND's AD to join the conference since 2010, and with the impending B1G/Pac and SEC/Big12 bowl games forcing their hand to join a conference, being able to hold on to and pawn their tier 3 rights as a member of the Big XII is extremely attractive to them. Of course, the Domers have a list of demands if they were to join a conference (brought up is their desire for 5 OOC games, logistics, schedules, etc.), and from the first glance at it, it seems to be a little more complicated than it was if they were to join the B1G just a short time ago (partly because of the SEC/Big XII bowl game and them not playing a full 8-game schedule in the conference). Pretty sure the horns don't know what they're in for with ND when it comes their bull[Mark May], let alone how delusional their fanbase is. Georgia Tech is apparently talking to the Big XII now... interesting because they were "not receptive" just 3 weeks ago... but it's nothing more than talk with them for now. Talk on the Shag for the Big XII seems to center around ND, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Pitt, and Louisville (in that order). The Louisville Cardinal getting "shut out" with Cartman picture is classic Shag.
Interesting stuff about the SEC having a "gentleman's agreement" with the Big XII to lay off of Virginia Tech and NC State. They're apparently looking at both of them for future expansion. There was some mention that the SEC would love to have Virginia and North Carolina, but would settle for Va Tech and NC State. Some bull[Mark May] regarding the SEC/Big XII bowl game as being between "the two best conferences in the BCS era".
Talk for the Big Ten down there seems to center around Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland, Duke, and Georgia Tech (in no real order outside of maybe the first two). Virginia sounds like they might be a serious option for the B1G. Maryland would go to the B1G as soon as they realize they could leave. A lot of talk that ND is off the table for the Big Ten because of Tier 3 rights. Just a word to any that might want to put in their 2 cents on Shaggy in that thread: they're doing their best to try to make their B1G posters on there look like idiots (pretty sure the Iowa guy really is one though). There is very little love for the B1G and even less for Jim Delaney.
The horns have convinced themselves that the Big XII lead for ND in the expansion race and that ND is wanting Pitt to join them in the conference if they were to join (?). However, in reality, the Pitt expansion talk probably is more about WVU wanting their biggest rival back in the same conference with them (WVU is stirring a lot of the expansion for the Big XII). The talk about ND joining though, possibly as a full member, sounds to be real... but how real is the question. The Irish joining as a partial member seems much more realistic. Most of the conference wants to jump on FSU and Clemson, but apparently Texas brass are telling the rest of the conference to slow down because they would like FSU and ND to join first together, then add from there to keep the Big XII from adding craptastic teams just to get to 14 (like Louisville). Texas's AD has been working on ND's AD to join the conference since 2010, and with the impending B1G/Pac and SEC/Big12 bowl games forcing their hand to join a conference, being able to hold on to and pawn their tier 3 rights as a member of the Big XII is extremely attractive to them. Of course, the Domers have a list of demands if they were to join a conference (brought up is their desire for 5 OOC games, logistics, schedules, etc.), and from the first glance at it, it seems to be a little more complicated than it was if they were to join the B1G just a short time ago (partly because of the SEC/Big XII bowl game and them not playing a full 8-game schedule in the conference). Pretty sure the horns don't know what they're in for with ND when it comes their bull[Mark May], let alone how delusional their fanbase is. Georgia Tech is apparently talking to the Big XII now... interesting because they were "not receptive" just 3 weeks ago... but it's nothing more than talk with them for now. Talk on the Shag for the Big XII seems to center around ND, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Pitt, and Louisville (in that order). The Louisville Cardinal getting "shut out" with Cartman picture is classic Shag.
Interesting stuff about the SEC having a "gentleman's agreement" with the Big XII to lay off of Virginia Tech and NC State. They're apparently looking at both of them for future expansion. There was some mention that the SEC would love to have Virginia and North Carolina, but would settle for Va Tech and NC State. Some bull[Mark May] regarding the SEC/Big XII bowl game as being between "the two best conferences in the BCS era".
Talk for the Big Ten down there seems to center around Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland, Duke, and Georgia Tech (in no real order outside of maybe the first two). Virginia sounds like they might be a serious option for the B1G. Maryland would go to the B1G as soon as they realize they could leave. A lot of talk that ND is off the table for the Big Ten because of Tier 3 rights. Just a word to any that might want to put in their 2 cents on Shaggy in that thread: they're doing their best to try to make their B1G posters on there look like idiots (pretty sure the Iowa guy really is one though). There is very little love for the B1G and even less for Jim Delaney.
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
If Jim Delaney asked Urban Meyer, "Hey Urban, we want to add schools to the Big Ten in the four states that you hit the hardest on the recruiting trail" adding Virginia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Maryland would fit the bill to the T.
Also, I love that Notre Dame is trying to bring special treatment to the table. Yeah, that is going to work out well in the already dysfunctional Big 12 with daddy Texas.
Texas and Notre Dame are like a match made in heaven when it comes to a sense of entitlement at the expense of the rest of the conference. Poor, poor rest of the Big 12.
What exactly is Notre Dame's negotiating position? "We make your conference marginally better on the football field and bring some nice name recognition. Without us you are fine but without you we are even more irrelevant then we have already managed to become, give us everything that we demand or we'll take our ball and go home!" It seems like Notre Dame's position is the strongest with the Big Ten thanks to the network, but I'm hoping the offer is "join with no special treatment, otherwise have fun."
It looks like Notre Dame is trying to have fun with their kindred "special treatment" buddies Texas.
Also, I love that Notre Dame is trying to bring special treatment to the table. Yeah, that is going to work out well in the already dysfunctional Big 12 with daddy Texas.
Texas and Notre Dame are like a match made in heaven when it comes to a sense of entitlement at the expense of the rest of the conference. Poor, poor rest of the Big 12.
What exactly is Notre Dame's negotiating position? "We make your conference marginally better on the football field and bring some nice name recognition. Without us you are fine but without you we are even more irrelevant then we have already managed to become, give us everything that we demand or we'll take our ball and go home!" It seems like Notre Dame's position is the strongest with the Big Ten thanks to the network, but I'm hoping the offer is "join with no special treatment, otherwise have fun."
It looks like Notre Dame is trying to have fun with their kindred "special treatment" buddies Texas.
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So here is what I know based on what Tejas Mouthpiece has said (in all honesty I cant stand this dude... he's a giant arrogant jackass, and come to find out he's from M*ch*g*n, so it fits). Tejas only wants to go past 10 if they are "home runs" right now the only "home runs" are FSU & ND. Tejas thinks that they are gonna be all up in the BSC title mix with 10 teams (ideal scenario this year for me, undefeated PAC/BIG team, undefeated Tejas, and a 1-loss SEC team... who's the BSC gonna choose). Also supposedly Esp(i)n has said... the money is the money you get no more for adding more teams, which means Tejas takes a smaller cut (NOT happening). I'm not sure what the hell is going on but its getting almost getting stupid at this point. We'll see how it all shakes out. I don't see ND going joining Tejas because... lets look at where most of their recruits come from, alot are sold on being able to play games close to home... not gonna happen in the Tejas conf.
again just my thoughts and what i've heard from the mouth piece.
So here is what I know based on what Tejas Mouthpiece has said (in all honesty I cant stand this dude... he's a giant arrogant jackass, and come to find out he's from M*ch*g*n, so it fits). Tejas only wants to go past 10 if they are "home runs" right now the only "home runs" are FSU & ND. Tejas thinks that they are gonna be all up in the BSC title mix with 10 teams (ideal scenario this year for me, undefeated PAC/BIG team, undefeated Tejas, and a 1-loss SEC team... who's the BSC gonna choose). Also supposedly Esp(i)n has said... the money is the money you get no more for adding more teams, which means Tejas takes a smaller cut (NOT happening). I'm not sure what the hell is going on but its getting almost getting stupid at this point. We'll see how it all shakes out. I don't see ND going joining Tejas because... lets look at where most of their recruits come from, alot are sold on being able to play games close to home... not gonna happen in the Tejas conf.
again just my thoughts and what i've heard from the mouth piece.
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southcampus
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I just don't see Notre Dame joining the Big 12.
On another note, it blows my mind that the NCAA/Universities talk endlessly about preserving the student aspect of the term "student-athlete" yet these conference realignments seem to be constructed strictly for financial purposes, furthering the exploitation of the "student-athletes." San Diego State in the Big East? Yeah, that makes sense for student athletes to be flying across the country on school nights for basketball games.
On another note, it blows my mind that the NCAA/Universities talk endlessly about preserving the student aspect of the term "student-athlete" yet these conference realignments seem to be constructed strictly for financial purposes, furthering the exploitation of the "student-athletes." San Diego State in the Big East? Yeah, that makes sense for student athletes to be flying across the country on school nights for basketball games.
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I hope and pray that if ND spurns the B1G (if they are even invited) then not only Michigan and Michigan State refuse to play them again, but also their beloved ageless rival USC and the entire B1G and P12 slate. That would leave ND playing OOC games against the likes of UConn, Syracuse, South Florida, and EAst Carolina.
Screw ND
Screw ND
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Buckeye86;2157369; said:
It's going to be real interesting. For the first couple of years, I see UT and the domers as essentially being a team to keep all of their field hands toiling on the plantation.
Down the road, there will be the inevitable issues of contention and mistrust. That's when the other schools start to play the Horns and domers off of each other.
I like and respect UT (can't say that about the domers), but putting UT and ND in the same conference and one where there is neither a tradition nor iron clad rules about equal sharing is a recipe for disaster. Maybe not this year, next year or the year after that. Disaster, however, will come.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Mongo no like conference; Mongo no join.
Once one gets beyond the hilarity of this guy's chimp like response, the thread really is quite stunning in the almost universal belief that the four remaining power conferences will, without question or hesitation, carve out a special ND exemption simply because they're notre dame.
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Which is funny, because they haven't been notre dame for the better part of two decades.ORD_Buckeye;2157431; said:
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