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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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sandgk;1618694; said:
You know what Barry - you have it all wrong.

Here is what the Big Ten (and parenthetically Penn State, and ND and certain Service Academies) should, advisedly do.

A - wait till Paterno goes to meet his maker, before which you cannot perform step B.

B - Let Penn State go join the Big East. Without Paterno there really isn't anyone pleading to stay in the Big Ten in Happy Valley anyway. We are now back to the real Big Ten.

C - Enforce having a full round conference competition, Big Ten and Pac 10 are thus made again parallel entities.

D - Big East also picks up Army and Navy, starts talks with ND

E - ND joins Bigger East which splits into two leagues of 6 and institutes a championship game.

F - Penn State reclaims historic rivalry games with Pitt and West Virginia. Begins anew the ND rivalry.

G - ND keeps their commanders trophy games and their OOC games with TSUN, USC and A.N.Others to flesh out their schedule.
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Two leagues of six for football, and two ten team leagues in basketball. Perfect. Just get us back to 10 teams so we can get to step 'C'.
 
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Assume that at some point in our lives scUM gets back to being scUM and its the Big 2 and little 8 (10) again.

-You put the two perennial powers in the same division and run the risk of a perpetually meaningless B10 CG.

-You put them in separate divisions and The Game isn't The Game anymore because you could very well have a rematch 2 weeks later.

Fuck everything else, this is what concerns me about a 12th B10 team (that and the whole name thing).
 
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BRICKtamland;1618716; said:
If the Big Ten were to add another school, it would have to be strong academically. I don't see it happening because Notre Dame is the only school that would fit the right mold, and they aren't joining a conference any time soon.
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Search this thread for posts by ORD_Buckeye. Notre Dame does not fit the mold.
 
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BRICKtamland;1618716; said:
If the Big Ten were to add another school, it would have to be strong academically. I don't see it happening because Notre Dame is the only school that would fit the right mold, and they aren't joining a conference any time soon.
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Notre Dame is the worst school academically that is seriously mentioned for he 12th member.
 
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Buckeye Maniac;1618724; said:
Notre Dame is the worst school academically that is seriously mentioned for he 12th member.
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That seems false. ND is certainly better academically than Missouri. Rutgers and Syracuse are solid academically but their football prowess/location would not fit the Big Ten mold and would not add any quality of play to the conference.
 
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Buckeye Maniac;1618724; said:
Notre Dame is the worst school academically that is seriously mentioned for he 12th member.
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ND is better than both syracuse and rutgers by a significant margin, and better than mizzou by a huuugggee margin. notre dame hate aside, they're still an excellent academic college with a very large endowment. they've been consistently ranked in the top 25 by US news and world report as one of their best overall colleges. i dunno. ND football and their fans are about as irritating as any group in the country, but it would be pretty dumb to try and act like ND isn't a really really good academic college.

with that said, ND still has no incentive at all to join a conference right now. they still have a tv deal that allows them to make cash hand over fist, and even a decent season gets them into BCS consideration. hell, with that going for them, why would they ever join a conference?



personally i like either rutgers or pitt, probably leaning more toward pitt. i know it doesn't expend the viewer base, but honestly i don't care. it's a natural regional rivalry, a great academic school, and has an up and coming athletics department. rutgers isn't a bad school by any means, but i just don't see them as a big ten school.
 
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sandgk;1618694; said:
You know what Barry - you have it all wrong.

Here is what the Big Ten (and parenthetically Penn State, and ND and certain Service Academies) should, advisedly do.

A - wait till Paterno goes to meet his maker, before which you cannot perform step B.

B - Let Penn State go join the Big East. Without Paterno there really isn't anyone pleading to stay in the Big Ten in Happy Valley anyway. We are now back to the real Big Ten.

C - Enforce having a full round conference competition, Big Ten and Pac 10 are thus made again parallel entities.

D - Big East also picks up Army and Navy, starts talks with ND

E - ND joins Bigger East which splits into two leagues of 6 and institutes a championship game.

F - Penn State reclaims historic rivalry games with Pitt and West Virginia. Begins anew the ND rivalry.

G - ND keeps their commanders trophy games and their OOC games with TSUN, USC and A.N.Others to flesh out their schedule.
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Never happen.

The Big Ten is a business just like College football is a business. They want the meaningless cash cow of a title game.
 
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muffler dragon;1618777; said:
It isn't. Their post-graduate and research departments are sub-par when compared to the rest of the Big Ten. Hence, the reason why the faculty was "game on", but it got shut down.
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Notre Dame is still better than Rutgers, Syracuse, and Missouri and would still be near the top of the Big Ten academically, and to deny that is foolish.
 
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BRICKtamland;1618784; said:
Notre Dame is still better than Rutgers, Syracuse, and Missouri and would still be near the top of the Big Ten academically, and to deny that is foolish.
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It's not going to be Ntre Ame and it's not just undergrad academics that these conferences take into consideration just so you know....

It really doesn't matter what Ntre Ame does at this point, I don't think the Big Ten powers that be want anything to do with them. And rightfully so. Fuck 'em.
 
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Every single Big Ten school is focused more on graduate work than undergraduate work. ND is precisely the opposite. It's not so much that ND has bad academics (in fact, they're fairly good as a UG school), it's just that they don't have the right kind of academics to fit in the Big Ten.

A team like Pitt, though, does. Pitt has a large graduate school (in particular, their medical school is very active in research). Do we want Pitt? Eh. They're probably the best fit geographically and academically...and they have some football tradition, if they can ever get their shit together.

From a football perspective, I'd like to see ND join the Big Ten just so we can stomp the piss out of them more often. It's simply not going to happen, though, without somebody making serious changes (i.e. the Big Ten making an academic exception or ND suddenly getting numerous respected graduate programs).
 
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BRICKtamland;1618784; said:
Notre Dame is still better than Rutgers, Syracuse, and Missouri and would still be near the top of the Big Ten academically, and to deny that is foolish.
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In undergrad, ND is an excellent university and would be near the top. That's not what's being discussed though. Fitting the mold of the Big Ten means being strong where ND is weak. The Big Ten/CIC would have to build ND into an adequate and eventually into an excellent post-graduate and research university in order for ND to be able to contribute to what the Big Ten/CIC is all about academically. To suggest anything else would be foolish.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1618785; said:
It's not going to be Ntre Ame and it's not just undergrad academics that these conferences take into consideration just so you know....

It really doesn't matter what Ntre Ame does at this point, I don't think the Big Ten powers that be want anything to do with them. And rightfully so. [censored] 'em.
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Oh, I don't think it will be Notre Dame either, but I think anyone that says they are worse academically than Missouri, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc. is mistaken. I personally would like to see them in the Big Ten because I think it would be a quality addition both athletically and academically and it would be fun to play them every year. I know it's not going to happen though.
 
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