Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[broken24]

OrangeBloods now says that the ACC is Texas second choice unless the Big 12-2-1 stays together. I don't have a link, because it is on the pay site.

Chip Brown talked about this last night on the radio. Here is a link http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/shows/rivals/chip-brown-2-7131/

His main point is that Texas would take a pay-cut to join B1G and ACC is all ESPiN so something could be worked out with them.

 

[knapplc]

AAU is all about research. Research $ are huge. The prestige of AAU membership brings a lot. Check out the names of the members. http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=5476

All B1G schools are big time research Universities. Oklahoma not so much. USN&WR ratings have nothing to do with grad school nor research.

On top of that Okla. has an uglier sister that is attached to it's hip. Nebraska did not.

I do know how to use google.


What, specifically, is the benefit to being an AAU member? How does being an AAU member actually get you those research dollars? I know they lobby congress on behalf of their members, but what is the tangible result of that lobbying effort? And do their member institutions gain more congressional funding because of membership, or is membership a coincidental thing?

I would love it if someone could show me a breakdown of actual dollars that AAU membership earned their school.

 

[rampageripster]

I do know how to use google.


What, specifically, is the benefit to being an AAU member? How does being an AAU member actually get you those research dollars? I know they lobby congress on behalf of their members, but what is the tangible result of that lobbying effort? And do their member institutions gain more congressional funding because of membership, or is membership a coincidental thing?

I would love it if someone could show me a breakdown of actual dollars that AAU membership earned their school.

Speaking as a scientist at a university (Southeastern Louisiana) that depends on that funding, being AAU is a big deal... Applying for grant is HIGHLY competitive and to land the really large grants that fund and drive major research, the name and accolades associated with your university are a big deal... Obviously, the quality of your work speaks for itself the majority of the time, but you'll see these major research universities snap up all the top researchers, so you have a combination of solid research faculty and name recognition... Look at some of the more major literature coming out of the science field... If it is american it is either ivy league or major research university (AAU)

 

[TexasBuck]

This is a list of Texas' options according to Chip Brown from Orange Bloods. Much of the article seems to be just a bunch of propaganda and posturing. I feel dumber for having read it but in case anyone is interested:

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1264576

 

[MaxBuck]

This is a list of Texas' options according to Chip Brown from Orange Bloods. Much of the article seems to be just a bunch of propaganda and posturing. I feel dumber for having read it but in case anyone is interested:

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1264576

Chip's guesses seem as valid as any other uninformed layperson's.

 

[Gatorubet]

If losing Okie and Okie State would crater the LH Network, then I could see Boomer Sooner going to the Pac-12 just to spite Texas. They would own the football in the Pac-12, and it seems very unlikely that the Red River Shoot Out would be scrapped. Like discontinuing the WLOCP if Georgia left.

The one thing the Big-12 member institutions seem to agree on, is that getting far away from Texas is a wonderful thing.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

And research is where the real money comes from.

Here is an interesting take on conference affiliation from the perspective of the University of Utah and their joining the PAC.

http://redthread.utah.edu/academic-reputation-and-athletic-affiliation-what-joining-the-pac-12-means-for-the-u/5840

 

[Gatorubet]

Penn State joined the Big Ten in 1990. At the time it joined the Big Ten it had research expenditures in the $350 million
range and comparable to the University of Texas and Texas A&M University, both top tier research universities. By 2009,
however, Penn State had doubled its research expenditures to $780 million, far surpassing both UT ($580 million) and A&M
($600 million), due in large part to the enhanced academic competition of its peer group in the Big Ten.

I bet y'all feel bad now....

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

If losing Okie and Okie State would crater the LH Network, then I could see Boomer Sooner going to the Pac-12 just to spite Texas. They would own the football in the Pac-12, and it seems very unlikely that the Red River Shoot Out would be scrapped. Like discontinuing the WLOCP if Georgia left.

The one thing the Big-12 member institutions seem to agree on, is that getting far away from Texas is a wonderful thing.

I wouldn't say that... they were firmly attached (leech like) to UT last year... but you never know with the okies

 

[broken24]

I do know how to use google.


What, specifically, is the benefit to being an AAU member? How does being an AAU member actually get you those research dollars? I know they lobby congress on behalf of their members, but what is the tangible result of that lobbying effort? And do their member institutions gain more congressional funding because of membership, or is membership a coincidental thing?

I would love it if someone could show me a breakdown of actual dollars that AAU membership earned their school.

I don't think anyone knows the actual #'s. Maybe some day a AAU big wig post it on WikiLeaks/WildcatReports.

Speaking as a scientist at a university (Southeastern Louisiana) that depends on that funding, being AAU is a big deal... Applying for grant is HIGHLY competitive and to land the really large grants that fund and drive major research, the name and accolades associated with your university are a big deal... Obviously, the quality of your work speaks for itself the majority of the time, but you'll see these major research universities snap up all the top researchers, so you have a combination of solid research faculty and name recognition... Look at some of the more major literature coming out of the science field... If it is american it is either ivy league or major research university (AAU)

Thanks rampageripster. Like I said it's a prestige thing. :)

Here is an article about UNL getting kicked out of AAU. http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/?sid=at

 

[PlanetFrnd]

What I really like about a potential ND-Texas addition is the potential death of Legends and Leaders. With the addition of Texas as an anchor in the West, it's very possible to have this alignment:

Big Ten East: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame
Big Ten West: Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas

Good competitive balance, all of Notre Dame's conference rivals in division, no doubling up OSU/Michigan.

Protected crossovers:
Penn State - Nebraska
Ohio State - Wisconsin
Michigan - Minnesota
Michigan State - Iowa
Indiana - Illinois
Purdue - Northwestern
Notre Dame - Texas

I think that would work really well.

I would love more UT-tOSU games... that was a fantastic home-and-home (and bowl) series, IMHO. And just two plays away from a sweep, too, dammit

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

The latest per UTejas Propaganda Minister Chip Brown the highlights

- UT will end up in the ACC... its almost [censored]ing laughable...
- Biggest reason will be the money ESPN throws at the ACC to take Tejas & Network, all the money they have invested in the Big XII at the ACC (considering they just started a new 12 year deal).
- "The ACC is deeper academically than the PAC 12" - about caused me to wreck from laughing
- OU & Okie state want to go to the PAC 12 but UT wants them in the ACC
- ACC is gonna take UT, Kansas, Mizzo, possibly Baylor - dude is STRETCHING at this point
- No mention of the B1G

Someone might want to send him a link to the CIC and maybe a balance sheet, people are strictly thinking about football money.. but as mentioned here many times, research money uses football money to wipe its ass

 

[knapplc]

I don't think anyone knows the actual #'s.

Maybe some day a AAU big wig post it on WikiLeaks/WildcatReports.

Thanks rampageripster. Like I said it's a prestige thing. :)

Here is an article about UNL getting kicked out of AAU. http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Opens-a-Painful-Debate/127364/?sid=at

I am aware of the role "prestige" plays in academia. I'm probably a poor person to comment on it, though - my views of academic "prestige" and what it takes to earn that prestige are very dim.

So, anyway. Enough with the AAU. Aside from the "prestige" involved in being a member, and not wishing to be an embarrassment to our Big Ten brethren, it's not something I concern myself with. And frankly, NU isn't that concerned with it, either.

We'll just have to drown our sorrows in that pitiful trickle of cash and shared knowledge that the CIC provides. How will we ever get by?

 

[cjmik_75]

So if the B1G did add boyzee and some other random team...boyzee would only lose to Nebraska, Wiscy (but only in Madison) and probably the other random team. They'd never lose to MSU, Illinois, Penn St (even in happy valley), Ohio State or any other B1G school and your going to base that statement off them playing Toledo Friday. Damn your chugging the boyzee Kool-Aid.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Is Chip Brown "The Server" on OrangeBloods message boards, or does he post as himself? Whoever "the Server" is has concurred with the northwestern poster Purble Book Cat that there is a faction of UT delegates pushing for UT to the B1G, but this poster maintains that the UT AD wants the ACC... take this, of course, FWIW

Also read a couple interesting posts relative to ND and its Hockey alignment... I, for one, didn't even realize the B1G formed its own hockey conference (taking B1G affiliated teams from the CCHA and WCHA)... this "The Server" character is implying that ND, which has not yet joined the other left-behind teams in a newly formed NCHA, is dragging its feet on its hockey affiliation while it waits to see what happens relative to the B1G, which requires full membership for its hockey affiliates.... all message board stuff, but interesting angle, nonetheless...

http://texas.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?SID=902&fid=61&mid=162821026&tid=162793324

*disclaimer - I basically posted the same thing on scout*