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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
I keep hearing that people on the left coast aren't into football because there's so much to do out there. From my perspective, I don't think it has much to do with having much to do.

I've lived all over: Ohio, Texas, Arizona, California, Virginia, Maryland and Florida. I've visited many other places, some of them dozens of times. From that perspective, there is very little correlation between how much there is to do and how much interest there is in football.

When it comes to having other things to do on weekends, where I live now (Northern Florida) isn't hurting for options. Most of the guys I know either go golfing, saltwater fishing or bass fishing on every weekend. All 3 of those activities are available to people in this area well into November. But those activities are typically engaged in only until late August.

On September 4th this year, the same thing will happen that happens every Saturday Morning of every autumn around here. The boats will be cleaned and tarped; and every lawnmower in the neighborhood will start at around 9am. Then, at 9:29 am, 1 minute before Herbstreit and friends start talking about football, every lawnmower in the neighborhood will get shut off, whether the lawn is done or not.

I've lived in Southern California. Come September, I can assure you that people who are at home in SoCal on Saturday mornings are NOT watching football. Now that USC is going to suck for the next 5 years (minimum), most of them won't even be aware that it's football season
 
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Oh8ch;1716567; said:
In the Midwest we circle the last Saturday in August and make sure all of our yearly chores are done. We sit down in our recliners and stare straight ahead waiting for some football. And those marginal fans who rake the leaves during Purdue-Minnie are going to let them pile up during Texas-Purdue and Nebraska-Minnie.

100% correct!! Love the post
 
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FlightAware > N228PK

Larry Scott is headed to Kansas City tonight. Possibly moving on to UKansas after getting a chilly reception from aTm?

The best scenario for the Big Ten is for both OK and aTm to head to the SEC. At that point a Pac-16 conference seems like a real bust. Besides the noted antipathy for football on the west coast, you also have a bunch of games in the PST that will go unnoticed by the Eastern half of the country.
 
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bigdog3300;1716597; said:
SEC guys saying Texas A&M to them is official.

Supposedly there is a Rivals premium article but I haven't seen it yet to link it, so not sure if it's a false alarm or not quite yet.

Shaggybevo has shut off non-registered viewers. They have the insider link and are protecting it. Texags forum says they're in.

$ Premium headline (the premium article is copy & pasted at Texags by the link above -- from aggieyell.com):
The Big Score: A&M goes it alone

The pertinent info though is that the Aggie board passed a vote 6-3 to move to the SEC. They sent Scott packing with a polite, "No thanks."
 
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Oh8ch;1716499; said:
But we don't have the same leverage over Texas as the existing members. And while those are the "conditions of Big Ten membership in today's world" they don't have to be so in tomorrow's world.

I want Texas. And if you have ever cut your hair or thrown out that black velvet nude in your apartment living room in order to get laid you know exactly how concessions work.

If you think it is a better idea to get Rutgers instead so that everyone can have the same size slice of pie - even though that slice is smaller than the slice each school would get after giving Texas concessions - you and I have a different business sense.

Chest thumping and football comes later. This is business.


The fact of the matter is that UT will get far more money as an equal partner in the Big 10, then they are getting as an unequal partner in the Big 12. Now, they may think they can do better in the PAC-16, and if so, let them walk. They will soon realize what all western based schools realize. If you're not in California, nobody gives a damn about you.
 
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Woody1968;1716495; said:
True to an extent, but you also have new rivalries developing, and that can build strength over time - PSU/MSU has been a wash, but look at PSU/Iowa. Other rivalries have disappeared despite the teams remaining in the same conference - Nebraska/Oklahoma is due to conference divisions, but Ohio State's second biggest rivalry was traditionally Illinois. That has lost luster on its own.

Sorry, I should have posted this an hour ago..

Roger that. There's rivalries and then there's "second biggest".
There are very intriguing mini rivalries that bubble up due to an upset here and there ( Illi-OSU '07 ) But they quickly fade when one team simply dominates the underdog ( Illi- OSU '08-'09).

Bona fide classic rivalries survive even irrelevance(i.e. Army-Navy). Come to think of it, 'The Game' survives even though scUM owned us for 10 years, and now Tress beats them like a drum.

Time has forged these classic rivalries and annual repetition hardens them. Maybe they're too big be ruined by realignment. But just imagine if it was the Big Ten falling apart right now instead of the Big XII. It's unthinkable, right?
 
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Oh8ch;1716567; said:
In the Midwest we circle the last Saturday in August and make sure all of our yearly chores are done. We sit down in our recliners and stare straight ahead waiting for some football.

I resemble that remark, and offer no apologies for it. :)
 
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ghost of tibor;1716609; said:
The fact of the matter is that UT will get far more money as an equal partner in the Big 10, then they are getting as an unequal partner in the Big 12. Now, they may think they can do better in the PAC-16, and if so, let them walk. They will soon realize what all western based schools realize. If you're not in California, nobody gives a damn about you.
Even if you are, they probably don't really give a damn either. :wink2:

Not to beat a dead horse, and not direct at tibs' ghost, but I simply cannot believe that Texas brass aren't at least aware of these same concerns as have been pointed out in these threads. It astonishes me how many people in the media think it's as simple as Texas moving to the Pac10 because USC is in probation. If that's the reason Texas goes to the Pac 10, they are colossally stupid. Texas, I don't think, is colossally stupid.

Anyway, when you think it through, there really isn't much of a choice for Texas. Business wise, anyway. I should add, for the same reasons that ND being independent in the coming years, Texas would also be foolish to go that route. Time will be - you're either in 1 of the big 4 conferences (maybe 5) or you're out. Texas isn't colossally stupid.
 
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MondayAMGenius;1716610; said:
Sorry, I should of posted this an hour ago..

...

There are many threads of conversation within this thread, many of them reaching back days at a time. So it may not be true that you should HAVE made your post an hour ago. Don't be so hard on yourself. It's not like you're obsessed with grammar (but obviously not spelling) like I am.
 
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ghost of tibor;1716609; said:
The fact of the matter is that UT will get far more money as an equal partner in the Big 10, then they are getting as an unequal partner in the Big 12. Now, they may think they can do better in the PAC-16, and if so, let them walk. They will soon realize what all western based schools realize. If you're not in California, nobody gives a damn about you.

Revitalized Big XII is dead...

I guess it will come down to ego (getting a Longhorn network going even if combined w/ Pac 10 network UT will get less money) and a possible better "fit" versus more money, the CIC and East Coast visibility.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1716617; said:
... Time will be - you're either in 1 of the big 4 conferences (maybe 5) or you're out. Texas isn't colossally stupid.

Hope you don't mind if I use this to change the subject a bit. What am I saying, of course you don't mind. I am you (one of you anyway).

One distinct possibility is that the BCS rearranges things out of necessity, and the 10 bids (if 10 is still the number of bids) are split up thus:
  • BIG TEN (plus 6)
    • 2 automatic bids
  • SEC (now w/ 16)
    • 2 automatic bids
  • PAC-16
    • 2 automatic bids (at least 1, depends on who they add)
  • ACC/BE remains
    • 1 automatic bid (maybe 2, but don't deserve 2)
  • Mountain West
    • 1 automatic bid
  • At Large Bids
    • A requirement that you must play 9 games against teams from AQ conferences which now would comprise about 80 teams. (OK - this part is what I'm hoping for, because...)
    • If enough teams refuse to play independents OOC, then ND is SOL
 
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