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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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Hawk Spielman;1716644; said:
It now appears the direction of OU seems to be the linchpin in this whole scenario. If they go to the PAC10 I have to believe UT will follow them. If they join the SEC then Texas has no more leverage nor incentive to go to the PAC10.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Big 10 holds it's nose and invites OU in a package deal with Texas.......interesting times in college athletics right now.
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I would be livid if OU were invited to join the Big Ten. I don't give a rats ass if that loses Texas for us. OU not only doesn't fit academically, but their history of cheating does not make them worthy of being a Big Ten member either.
 
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From what I have read during this whole saga the main incentive for a Texas move to the PAC 10 is two fold.......

1. Keeping traditional rivals (aka a doting voting block that will be their minions)
2. Having some teams in closer proximity to cut down on some of the travel.

So if they lose two of said minions to the SEC that pretty much fucks up their incentive for a move doesn't it?? I have a hard time believing that UT follows OSU, TTech, and Baylor anywhere...........they aren't enough of them and they certainly don't have enough clout to make UT the big boys in a California conference.......jmho.
 
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Hawk Spielman;1716652; said:
From what I have read during this whole saga the main incentive for a Texas move to the PAC 10 is two fold.......

1. Keeping traditional rivals (aka a doting voting block that will be their minions)
2. Having some teams in closer proximity to cut down on some of the travel.

So if they lose two of said minions to the SEC that pretty much fucks up their incentive for a move doesn't it?? I have a hard time believing that UT follows OSU, TTech, and Baylor anywhere...........they aren't enough of them and they certainly don't have enough clout to make UT the big boys in a California conference.......jmho.
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Why would either of those considerations trump $$$, east coast exposure, and better start times (for the Central Time Zone, going east = 1 time zone, west = 2 (to fewer TV sets))? I mean, I don't disagree with you, but those two considerations seem to me to be "It'll be bad in the Pac 10, but we could make it not quite so bad if...."
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1716653; said:
Why would either of those considerations trump $$$, east coast exposure, and better start times (for the Central Time Zone, going east = 1 time zone, west = 2 (to fewer TV sets))? I mean, I don't disagree with you, but those two considerations seem to me to be "It'll be bad in the Pac 10, but we could make it not quite so bad if...."
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Your kind of reiterating my point, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough. As far as exposure, $$$$, and overall prestige the Big 10 is a much better fit for UT. The only two advantages of UT going to the PAC 10 are what I mentioned above.

Considering that any sane person (and not living in Arkansas) knows that UT isn't going to the SEC. OU going to the SEC would essentially kill any incentive UT has to join the PAC 10. I think we are on the same page, but I didn't make my point clearly enough.

In short if you want UT to the Big 10 you need to root for OU to join the SEC as well.
 
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Hawk Spielman;1716656; said:
In short if you want UT to the Big 10 you need to root for OU to join the SEC as well.
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Exactly. And there is a strong link to ND as well if this happens.

The PAC 10 move then becomes - absorb the Mountain West or concede a two conference universe.
 
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Dryden;1716602; said:
Shaggybevo has shut off non-registered viewers. They have the insider link and are protecting it. Texags forum says they're in.

$ Premium headline (the premium article is copy & pasted at Texags by the link above -- from aggieyell.com):


The pertinent info though is that the Aggie board passed a vote 6-3 to move to the SEC. They sent Scott packing with a polite, "No thanks."
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This actually leaked from the Missouri athletic department this afternoon and was promptly rebuffed by Texas A&M within half an hour. They have not rejected an offer from the Pac-10 and are continuing to evaluate ALL options.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1716629; said:
I can't recall, but didn't Chip say A&M was all but a done deal to the Pac 10 before last week's end?

I say that only to suggest that maybe he's, as has been suggested by others, being "played" in this whole situation.
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He tweeted a few hours ago that A&M had rejected the Pac-10 offer. Within 30 mins, he had retracted the tweet.
 
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Hawk Spielman;1716656; said:
Your kind of reiterating my point, but perhaps I wasn't clear enough. As far as exposure, $$$$, and overall prestige the Big 10 is a much better fit for UT. The only two advantages of UT going to the PAC 10 are what I mentioned above.

Considering that any sane person (and not living in Arkansas) knows that UT isn't going to the SEC. OU going to the SEC would essentially kill any incentive UT has to join the PAC 10. I think we are on the same page, but I didn't make my point clearly enough.

In short if you want UT to the Big 10 you need to root for OU to join the SEC as well.
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Fair enough. I do also agree that OU to the SEC pretty much seals the deal of UT to the Big 10... and I think that's part of JD's master plan. The SEC is being counted on to make moves, some of which have to be towards the ACC (I think) so that the ACC raids the Big East again, leaving ND no choice in the matter.

Edit: And, OU is a perfect fit for the SEC, in my opinion.
 
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Sounds like a lot of misinfo is flowing, but a bit of conjecture -

1. IF OU is seriously looking at the SEC it is because they feel they can't rely on Texas to go to the PAC.

2. IF OU is serious about the SEC Texas needs to cut a Big Ten deal now, because the PAC option and all that leverage is about to disappear.
 
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Frank the Tank talks about the pressure on ND since the Catholic non-football schools will leave the Big East if it loses two members.

FranktheTank.June13

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A source with knowledge of the agreement that was entered into by the Big East schools following the ACC raid of 2003 states that in the event that 2 football members leave the conference, the football and non-football members can split the league without any penalty and retain
their respective revenues, such as NCAA Tournament distributions. What is surprising is that the Catholic non-football members comprise the faction that is pushing the issue. If you recall, those schools met back in March to discuss ?contingency plans?. Apparently, the Catholic schools have decided that they will exercise the split option if 2 Big East schools leave the conference (no matter who they might be) and have informed Big East commissioner John Marinatto as such.

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That?s the angle a lot of people are missing: Notre Dame?s decision on conference membership actually has very little to do with football. The Irish can still keep its NBC contract and there really is no danger of the program being shut out of the national championship picture even if 16-team superconferences are formed. A lot of Notre Dame haters go overboard in arguing that the Irish are heading toward football irrelevance. In reality, Notre Dame has as strong of a fan base as ever and it?s shown every time that the team is halfway decent. However, the rest of the Irish athletic department will suffer a ton of damage if the Big East loses any members. Once again, the Notre Dame alumni base might be perfectly fine with throwing every other sport under the bus, but the leadership at Notre Dame won?t be. There is little rational justification to let that happen when the Big Ten offers more football revenue anyway plus a major reduction in travel expenses.

The rise of superconferences might give Father Jenkins and Jack Swarbrick the PR cover with Notre Dame?s alums to make a move to a conference, but it?s really the terms of the Big East agreement combined with the stance of the Catholic membership that are putting the legitimate pressure on the Irish.
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Oh8ch;1716665; said:
Sounds like a lot of misinfo is flowing, but a bit of conjecture -

1. IF OU is seriously looking at the SEC it is because they feel they can't rely on Texas to go to the PAC.

2. IF OU is serious about the SEC Texas needs to cut a Big Ten deal now, because the PAC option and all that leverage is about to disappear.
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Makes the tin-foil hat wearer in me wonder if Delany and Slive cut a deal and split Texas in half to cut out the Pac 10.

One for me. One for you. One for me. One for you.
 
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Very good point. It is ironic that OU scheduled their regents meeting a day after UTs. At first glance I thought it was just them yielding to big brother, but the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it isn't a publicity stunt so they can save face.
 
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