Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[broken24]

I understand fully with what you're saying, which is why I strongly believe that if it is to succeed, we need to stick with what brung us--the Big Ten way of doing things. The Texas way has already been tried twice--with the SWC and Big 12, and it destroyed both those conferences.

I wouldn't call it the Texas way. According to the Texas boards, NU was all for the unequal revenue sharing when the league started. As, it was NU, OU and UT that were the haves and the rest of the league the have-nots. When NU was down football wise that is when they started complaining about revenue, allegedly.

I do agree that the unequal wealth distribution was a major factor in the down fall of the Big 12. As we all know football success can be cyclical, just ask tsun.
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[broken24]

But we don't have the same leverage over Texas as the existing members. And while those are the "conditions of Big Ten membership in today's world" they don't have to be so in tomorrow's world.

I want Texas. And if you have ever cut your hair or thrown out that black velvet nude in your apartment living room in order to get laid you know exactly how concessions work.

If you think it is a better idea to get Rutgers instead so that everyone can have the same size slice of pie - even though that slice is smaller than the slice each school would get after giving Texas concessions - you and I have a different business sense.

Chest thumping and football comes later. This is business.

This is where I say OU or A&M come in to play.....They are the concession. The only concession.

 

[Woody1968]

I want Texas. And if you have ever cut your hair or thrown out that black velvet nude in your apartment living room in order to get laid you know exactly how concessions work.

Amazing as it sounds, I have never had to resort to such measures, but to be fair, I never owned a black velvet nude.

 

[Colvinnl]

I understand fully with what you're saying, which is why I strongly believe that if it is to succeed, we need to stick with what brung us--the Big Ten way of doing things. The Texas way has already been tried twice--with the SWC and Big 12, and it destroyed both those conferences.

I'm no socialist except when it comes to athletics. Sorta reminds me of the way the NFL and MLB are run. One is in a healthier state right now for a reason.

This isn't purely about making money...we can stand to concern ourselves with principles, academics and long term stability.

 

[broken24]

According to Chip Brown twitter:

Texas A&M turned down invite to join P10 in mtg today with P10's Larry Scott and Kevin Weiberg in College Station, a Big 12 AD confirms.

 

[jlb1705]

If the choice is between Texas (w/ concessions) or Rutgers, I want no part of either. I don't want the Big Ten to bring in Texas under circumstances that might disrupt the stability and position that the Big Ten currently enjoys. As for Rutgers, I don't see what the rush would be. I'm having trouble thinking of a circumstance where Rutgers would ever become unavailable to the Big Ten should they invite.

 

[Woody1968]

According to Chip Brown twitter:

Incorrect, his new tweet says that Texas A&M is still considering ALL options.

I mean his tweet was incorrect, not your relaying it, btw.

 

[Oh8ch]

I agree we should not bring in Texas under unequal conditions that would disrupt the stability of the Big Ten - and that could happen. And in that regard I may have over-stated my case.

But as already stated there are things that could be offered to Texas that could be offered to ALL members - such as limited conference games and limited games paid outside of the equal distribution concept. Changes that would benefit Texas and ND in a manner that reflects their value to the conference, but that are equally available to all.

I would also submit that the case for the stability of the Big Ten is being overstated. The forces that have shaped college football are not so much Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant as they are air conditioning and integration.

We are watching the decline of the industrial base of the Midwest and the migration of population to the south. They are bulldozing neighborhoods in the Detroit area. Delaney has made specific reference to the sunbelt as a target of his efforts. The only school that I have seen referenced consistently as a target of Big Ten growth that gets us to the sunbelt is Texas.

And the benefit doesn't stop with the increased TV audiences that would watch Texas-Purdue or Texas-Minnesota. It would open the door to recruiting for these schools as audiences that might otherwise not watch Purdue or Minnie tune in. They take Big Ten coaches to the state of Texas and bring Texas fans and families to the Midwest. Purdue isn't going to get the kids Mack Brown is after, but they might get some of the next tier who today don't even consider the Midwest.

 

[Jake]

Until you marry her and she blackmails you with threats of divorce every year.

Exactly.

Concede once and you will concede again...and again...and again.

I'd like to have Texas, but not under their terms. The Big Ten Conference is bigger than Texas. Let them go run the PAC 10 into the ground.

 

[Jake]

If the choice is between Texas (w/ concessions) or Rutgers, I want no part of either. I don't want the Big Ten to bring in Texas under circumstances that might disrupt the stability and position that the Big Ten currently enjoys. As for Rutgers, I don't see what the rush would be. I'm having trouble thinking of a circumstance where Rutgers would ever become unavailable to the Big Ten should they invite.

I agree.

We've got Nebraska, which was a good get, and we can have a BTCCG in December (if we like) now that we'll have 12 teams.

 

[jwinslow]

I would also submit that the case for the stability of the Big Ten is being overstated. The forces that have shaped college football are not so much Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant as they are air conditioning and integration.

Do you mean the cause of the stability? Because stability is of paramount importance moving forward. Even with Texas & co, the pac-10 risks falling even further behind the B10 & BTN.

We are watching the decline of the industrial base of the Midwest and the migration of population to the south.

And yet until OSU & UM stumbled in Jan 2007, no one argued this was a big problem.

They are bulldozing neighborhoods in the Detroit area.

Detroit has been a mess for a long time.

The only school that I have seen referenced consistently as a target of Big Ten growth that gets us to the sunbelt is Texas.

I hear there are a few people in NYC.

They take Big Ten coaches to the state of Texas and bring Texas fans and families to the Midwest.

Maybe, maybe not. They put us on TV down there, they don't make those road trips reasonable for families, in contrast to the pac-16.

Purdue isn't going to get the kids Mack Brown is after, but they might get some of the next tier who today don't even consider the Midwest.

They do that now, even in heavily recruited Florida. Purdue gets a few steals out of their annually.

 

[jlb1705]

It would open the door to recruiting for these schools as audiences that might otherwise not watch Purdue or Minnie tune in. They take Big Ten coaches to the state of Texas and bring Texas fans and families to the Midwest. Purdue isn't going to get the kids Mack Brown is after, but they might get some of the next tier who today don't even consider the Midwest.

This guy says 'hi'.

 

[CHU]

It's almost like Chip Brown is auditioning for something (or getting set-up for a book).

 

[jwinslow]

This guy says 'hi'.

Everyone and their mother finds sleeper QBs in that state (Drew Tate, Chase Daniel, Case Keenum, Christian Ponder). They produce more hidden gems annually than scholarships from RR to < 5'9" prospects. Texas often passes on a 5-star or national QB prospect because they have another guy locked up.

 

[BuckWrestler141]

One VERY important detail seems to be continuely overlooked in this:
Neither Texas nor ND have a wrestling team, I say let them find a different conference.
Nebraska on the other hand just made the toughest wrestling conference tougher.

So due to the market, I think Oklahoma State is the obvious choice for the Big Ten expansion